whoever is holding up that sign is a genius. XD

You go people!!!! Fight for your right to love and be treated as a human being.

Clever, but as I happen to be a veteran in a certain children’s card game, your word games are powerless against me.

Jesus had two fathers… but not everyone acknowledges that. Certainly not that hypocritical child holding up that rather colorful sign.

In any case, Joseph was only Jesus’ father in a legal sense and was not his biological father. Furthermore, Joseph was not joined to the Father the way that sign would like to imply. Joseph was married, yeah… to Jesus’ mother.

So, yeah. Sign invalid. Thanks for playing. Coming up next, the nonreligious, nonphilosophical reasons why homosexuality is not right (whether or not you say it’s not wrong)!

Wolfgang…seriously, you’re a tool.

well wolfgang. the same could apply to the child having two fathers. one could be her or his biological father and the other would be married to their biological parent. homosexuality is not wrong, narrow thinking is.

Wolfgang…Who are you to pass judgement on another? Does the bible not say, “Love thy neighbor.”? Or how about, “Thou Shalt not judge.”? Hm? Besides, if being *** is so wrong, then why are people born that way? I can certainly say they don’t just choose to be ***. *Gasp* Perhaps “God” made people the way they are…for a REASON…?! Ya think?! You sir…ma’am…IT are just another brainwashed narrow minded sheeple. By the way everyone…we ALL know that the people who stand against homosexuality so much are usually the ones that are in the closet and cannot stand to see how free everyone else feels…right?

Few people are born ***. Many are made ***. Go to the prison showers and you would probably see it happen. The few that are born *** serve as warnings for what shouldn’t be. You speak of the Bible, go see the story of Sodom and Gommorah.

There is no God
There is no afterlife
There is only this life
Live it how you want

Then you are as your name implies, cold hearted. You also lack in knowledge and understanding of the situation. I am ***…never been to prison. I also have MANY friends that are ***, neither of them have ever been to prison. You don’t “turn” ***…what don’t you people get?! You are born and it is what you are. What’s so significant about Sodom and Gommorah? How relevant is it? It is nothing more than an ancient bed-time story used to scare people out of living their lives the way they were born to. Also, not a single *** person stands as a warning of any kind…though sometimes I think we should, maybe if we were perceived as a threat we might command the respect and dignity that we deserve as people as well as our right to be happy…or at least the right to pursue it. It is really pathetic that people are still so narrow-minded that they would deny happiness to others…If this is truly the way you think your god would act then your faith is misplaced, for a being so trivial and jealous is neither earned nor is worthy of the title “god”.

Jesus can have 2 dads because he’s God.

and going off your philisophy, we all share in God the father as our Father, so we all already have 2 dads. Jesus didn’t have 3 dads, and nobody should.

@shadow: If God allows homosexuality because he made them ***, does God allow rape because he made people rapists, or domestic violence because he made wife beaters?

I’ve got no problem with *** PEOPLE, just what they do. Just like I have no problem with LIARS or THIEVES or MURDERERS. Just what they do.

Shadow: Did you really just say “sheeple?”

Tell ya what, bub. You show me a homosexual couple that’s been together for 50+ years, and I’ll show you two of the biggest liars since the guy that invented propaganda.

Phoenix: Wait, are you and Shadow the same guy? Anyway, I can give you nonreligious reasons why homosexuality is wrong, wrong being the absence of “right.”

First, let’s assume that it’s genetic. If it is, it’s a disorder, just like Down’s or sickle cell. Yes it is, don’t argue with me. We aren’t built for it and it doesn’t serve our- I hesitate to say- evolutionary purpose.

Now, let’s assume that it’s NOT genetic. Well, it must be a mental disorder. Why? We’re still not built for it. In fact, men are supposed to be attracted to women, because that’s how we make babies that will grow up and go on Oprah and blame every dang problem they’ve got on you.

Now, if you can show me one thing RIGHT with homosexuality, I’ll shut up. If you can’t, then I successfully rest my case.

Will: Nice.

@Wolfgang: To say you don’t have a problem with *** people and just the things they do is like saying you don’t have a problem with black people, just the things they do (ie it is stereotyping). Do all *** people need to have sex? And what about the things bisexual people do – is that okay?

*** people shouldn’t be likened to murderers or liars anyways; there is no gene that codes for LIAR or MURDERER. However, there has been one found for being homosexual, and going back to what you said, if it is genetic then there’s still no right for discrimination; hopefully you understand that. Bearing that in mind, they deserve the rights that all straight people have. People with sickle cell anemia are still able to marry each other..

In continuation, it’s also not in our evolutionary purpose to not have kids. You must be entailing, then, that every couple who doesn’t have kids is wrong. Mind you, it’s unfair to mistreat people who have disorders, because it’s also a disorder to be ALIVE. Doesn’t life, for as long as it lasts, defy the natural laws of entropy? You evidently must have the same disorder the same people had who wrote the Bible for detesting *** people when there obviously is no evolutionary purpose for it.

And who says a *** person isn’t able to have kids of their own? Just because a *** male, for instance, prefers males, doesn’t mean he can’t marry a woman and bear a child from her.

I’m gonna be narrow-minded like you and conclude that if homosexuality was genetic and non-preventable, then it’s not wrong, wrong being the absence of RIGHT. Who cares if you don’t like *** people, why can’t they get married? You obviously haven’t acknowledged the fact that people don’t have to marry for sexual reasons; two guys can love each other without it being in a sexual way, can they, therefore, marry because it’s not “***”? Your way of thinking is about as broad as an alley. Case in point, if you can’t show me one thing RIGHT with banning same-sex marriage, then shut up.

Well stated Wolfgang. It is not our place to judge, but we have every right to disagree. People get “judging” and “disagreeing” mixed up constantly. The only one who can judge is one of higher power (whether in a religious sense, worldly sense, or other), whereas, anyone can disagree. Stating a disagreement is not “cold hearted” or “closed minded”, we are just stating that we disagree with an action, whereas you are stating that you agree with an action. In the long run, it doesnt matter in the slightest what someone else thinks, live your life as well as you feel you can, and I will do the same. If that is on different paths and we disagree with each other, then fine, but in the long run one or the other of us will be wrong.

As an afterthought, to elaborate on the first point I made in my last paragraph, since the things you mentioned are wrong because they exist in the absence of RIGHT, then it’s RIGHT because it’s NOT WRONG. So disregard my last sentence, you’re shuttin’ up anyways.

Taryn: Did you seriously equate being to being black?

“I’m gonna be narrow-minded like you and conclude that if homosexuality was genetic and non-preventable, then it’s not wrong, wrong being the absence of RIGHT.”

So, being born with 47 chromosomes as opposed to 46 isn’t wrong?

If something’s WRONG then it needs to be made RIGHT, wouldn’t you agree? Tell me something RIGHT about homosexuality.

And your second post, Taryn: It’s RIGHT because it’s NOT WRONG? I’m sorry, but it doesn’t work like that. There’s no such thing as cold, just how much heat something has. Darkness only exists as a concept; it’s actually just a lack of light. And the same applies to right and wrong. Wrong is the absence of right. 47 chromosomes ain’t right. Therefore it’s wrong.

Now, I’m not saying these people should be discriminated against. What I AM saying is that what is WRONG should be fixed. And if we don’t have the means to do so? Well, that’s part of being human: We find or make the means.

Wolfgang: Actually, I was equating two bigoted statements, not homosexuality to being black? Haha, oh wow. You should probably stop commenting on here and focus on your reading comprehension and analysis skills.
If you say that wrong is the absence of right, then the same can be said about its contrapositive, “right is the absence of wrong,” which was the point I was making, actually mocking what you said earlier. But this isn’t a philosophical or semantical discussion..

And who says that it’s actually “wrong” to be born with 46 chromosomes? Just because it’s not favorable to evolutionary progress doesn’t make it wrong; it’s only wrong in our current society based on intelligence and beauty. That’s like saying being born with an appendix is wrong. It’s not wrong because it’s naturally-occurring. I agree that both Down’s Syndrome and homosexuality can be seen as abnormalities, abnormal not being synonymous with “wrong” or “not right,” for the record.

Oh dear, if anything needs to be fixed it’s your perspective. Homosexuals (normally) DON’T reproduce. Since homosexuality is genetic, don’t you think that if homosexuality could be stopped it would’ve been through lack of reproduction among homosexuals? As aforementioned, it’s naturally-occurring. Can’t be fixed. Just happens. If you’re one of those people that actually think *** people can be “fixed” or can “convert,” please let me know so I can forget I ever had this conversation with you, because you’re wrong and broken beyond repair.

Ahh I’m so scatter-brained; to my second to last sentence: Only things that are broken can be fixed.

Wolfgang, I’m not ***. But I’m curious as to how you came about your logic, that seems to be what cannot be proven right is therefore wrong? Is this just a personal belief base in whatever that being *** is wrong? Is this right/wrong logic something you use to test acceptability and worth to all things, or a lot of things? Would you say writing left handed is wrong? Is being left handed neither right or wrong in your mind? If you believe being left or right handed is neither right or wrong, what makes being *** different and deserving of the right/wrong test? I’m really interested in this line of thinking you have.

o4tuna: It’s not so much a line of thinking as it is a line segment of thinking, cause it stops when the line is at the end of the “ego” area of thinking, and the “everyone else” area of thinking remains untrekked. He thinks things that aren’t right are automatically wrong and compares it to hot and cold, but fails to realize that, like feeling hot or feeling cold, right and wrong are all a matter of subjectivity. I’m ***, and making love to a boy’s **** makes it feel so RIGHT to be so WRONG. And frankly, I’d so much rather be fcuked in the *** than fcuked in the brain like Wolfgang.

Wolfgang, stfu. If being *** is wrong because it’s not natural than what about the platypus? If only you’re parents were *** so they wouldn’t have ever had a child like you.

Wow Wolfgang…you really are a brain-washed bigot. It’s troubling to see that people still act like that. I know several *** couples who’ve been together for many many years. I for one, don’t plan on jumping around from person to person for the rest of my life. Contrary to what you believe not all *** people are out just looking for sex. Wanna know why it’s wrong to ban *** marriage? Well the U.S. is supposed to be a free country, denying the right to marry actually does interfere with one’s right to pursue happiness, if that is what they desire. It is the treating of the GLBT community as a second class citizen. The argument people are making is a religious one, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state….I’ll cut this here…for now

Wolfgang, I love how you are so confident, yet you don’t know what you’re talking about at all. Do you even KNOW any *** people? Probably not, maybe you wouldn’t be so ignorant if you did. You want to know what isn’t wrong with homosexuality? Two loving people in a healthy relationship, that is whats not wrong. Your arguments are totally irrelevant. Who cares if **** can’t have kids? Are you going to go after sterile people, or people who just don’t want to have kids next? The fact that you want to MAKE people straight reminds me a lot of what couple of people did back in the 1940’s. Maybe you are familiar with them? They tried to kill off because they didn’t have what they thought were “desirable” traits. These people were called the NAZIS. I bet you wouldn’t even know what was “right” if it came up and smacked you upside the head (which someone should probably do regardless…)

kill off people that didn’t have*

Why fight this argument under the rules of this story book called the bible?
simply put the bible doesn’t even hold any useful input on what should or should not be allowed.
If homosexuality is of any significance, it should be judged by science.
according to the bible we can enslave Mexico and Canada. We are all bad Christians by not sacrificing a baby calf every Saturday.

According to the Bible, we also have the authority to kill our sisters. It’s just ignorant, low-brow Christians thinking they are in the light when they’re the ones who are blinded by it the most. They nitpick trivialities like the abomination of homosexuality, but completely overlook how the Bible also mentions it is an abomination to eat shrimp, wear polyester, and go out to eat at a fast-food restaurant. Yes, it does, google it.

Regardless of what the fictionary says, or as they jokingly call it The Holy Bible, America is a country that separates church and state, and there is no reason that isn’t religious-based to ban same-sex marriage. I disagree, therefore, that it is up to the state to decide the legality of same-sex marriage. Marriage rights are human rights. That’s like the state of Nevada suddenly making it legal to kill people. Furthermore, it’s ridiculous to say it’s immoral, because SO ARE THE MARRIAGES THAT EVENTUATE INTO DIVORCE. Which is 40%, fyi.

Btw, Wolfgang, you never answered one thing RIGHT with banning same-sex marriage. ‘Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

isnt Wolfgang’s argument along the lines of Hitler’s??? aka, the wrong must be fixed. Wow. how do you like that Wolfgang, your kinda like Hitler, but i think you already knew that, considering you are using his arguments. Wolfgang is just a bigot that needs to be shut up. Now I have no problem with religion, only fundamentalist views, like Wolfgang’s. Their one sided and bigoted views is what is corrupting America, but he would probably blame the blacks, or the Mexicans, or the Jews, or the Homosexuals, when it is the fundamentalist, conservative republican ******** that are really ****** us in the ***. Yes Wolfgang, metaphorically you are being ***, by metaphorically fisting our ******** and ruining the USA, a place of freedom and liberty.

If this is a religious debate, I agree that Christians should be more accepting of *** people. If the ’sanctity of marriage’ is the issue, I think many Americans are hypocrites if they think a ban should be placed on *** marriage, but just ignore the 23 hour marriages in Vegas.

Also, being a homosexual doesn’t lead to immorality. Straight people are just as immoral. All people are different.

And of all the sins talked about in the bible, homosexuality is the only one that’s based in love. And if you say ‘well, it’s all sexual,’ you obviously have no clue what you’re arguing about. If it was all about sex, why would they be fighting so hard for their right to marry and adopt children?

In my mind, many of the Christian attitudes of America today are warped beyond belief. They don’t seem to be standing for things as much as they seem to be standing against things, like open-mindedness and acceptance. In the words of George Carlin (I think) – Religion is just this old fossilized thought system that we keep dragging along. It’s holding us back from advancing our society and getting closer to peace.

Look across any species of God’s beautiful animal kingdom, because in almost all there is homosexuality.
That’s right. Male penguins like to pair up and raise little *** penguins of their own! GOD FORBID! Dogs will lick anything, including the junk of another, same-sex dog! Hell, they’ll even try to screw each other, the sinful, little cute cuddly puppies. Do you know Binobo Chimpanzees have over a 98% match in DNA to us humans? They also have sex like crazy. Even boy-boy, girl-girl chimp sex – they don’t care.
And neither should you.

Don’t let a stupid, 2000 year-old book convince you to hate someone.

Hey blood wolfgang creature, you want a reason why homosexuality isn’t wrong?

Because there is serious overpopulation of humans on planet earth and God is making people homosexual to curb the reproduction rate, to make life is more sustainable for future generations of homo- and hetero-sexuals.

Including your mean, dumb-*** self.

What?!? God made rapists and wife beaters? what kind of (divine/omnipresent being) is he?

thought Id join in.. Wolfgang smells of **** rot

just for the record: life does NOT defy entropy and just because our DNA is close to that of a bonobo, doesn’t justify ******* to say hello.

I think Wolfgang is mostly playing the devil’s advocate here and he’s right about the sign so get over that much at least. I’m for *** rights but attacking Christians will never win the battle.

I must say that I’m embarrassed and ashamed by the statements of “Christians” on this message board.

As a Christian I try my best to follow the guidelines and rules spelled out in that “2000 year-old book” (and Heaven knows that I really suck at keeping them) but those rules and guidelines are for those who call themselves CHRISTIANS and not for the rest of the world. As a Christian I shouldn’t expect others not to lie, for instance, because the Bible says so…. They can lie all they want! Why not?! And they can be Homosexual or whatever… it doesn’t matter. GOD LOVES THEM ALL THE SAME!

Now think about this…. how would you like to live in an Islamic society and have the rules of the Koran forced upon you? Especially if you weren’t Muslim? My guess is you wouldn’t. Why then should we try to force the rules of the Bible upon people who don’t believe it or want to follow it?

We were all created with free will, so make your choice for the path you will take and the rules you will follow, and let others make there’s.

@Wolfgang. Homosexuals are different, not wrong.
If they are genetically different then they are simply different. It is no different than being born black. Of course I’m sure blacks are just wrong because everyone knows we should all be white. Well if we could just fix them darkies all the world would be perfect.

If it is mental then again they are just different. Being Jewish is being mentally different. So we need to cure those Jews for being different than us real Americans.

Different does not equal wrong. Harmful equals wrong. In this situation you are the one that is causing harm, not the homosexuals. Ergo you are the wrong person that should be “fixed”. Of course unlike you I don’t believe in forcing those I disagree with to be fixed.

All of you people are narrow minded, arrogant lunatics. I don’t know which side bothers me more.

Only Jews can be ***, they don’t believe Jesus was really related to an omnipotent supreme being. But wasn’t Jesus supposed to be his Father and a Ghost too? @Wolfgang and others that care to decide for others: eat a ****.

Hey Wolfgang!

I am sure your aware of the G-Spot in a female. Have you ever stopped to think about where the G-Spot in a male is… that’s right its in the anal cavity. So is *** sex wrong or are we just mammals on a blue rock floating around a bright light and the concept of something being wrong or something being right is just a man made concept. Think bigger my man maybe you could grow a little.

Love,
Andew

as a straight father, republican and veteran, i would hope that those like minded would b worried bout more important things than what some of my American brothers are doing in there homes. Sadly this is not true, please dont think all of us are hateful people

I love how many of you take all religious book literally. Its funny how these books can be twisted to mean anything the individual wants it to.

Don’t try and bash love with religion or science, just let it happen!

I am not going to lay down my credentials like the rest of you, because as far as I am concerned, everyone is the same. Isn’t that a noble idea?

you would then be assuming that God is a man…

if people were born ***, if it was genetic, they would have died out. it’s simple, if being *** is involuntary, the lack of children produced by *** couples would ensure the gene or gene sequence that supposedly causes homosexuality’s demise. i believe being *** is a combination of product of environment and possibly some genetic factors, but is definitely not entirely genetic or involuntary.

btw i am pro *** rights 100% they should be allowed to marry and to be able to live in a world without all the ****** prejudice that sadly exists, but i stand by the above comment

Across the animal kingdoms thousands of species exhibit “***” behaviors. If these behaviors were counterproductive to their species reproductive and thus evolutionary health they would have been weeded out by evolution. The mere fact that these seemingly counter-reproductive behaviors exist suggests that they offer some evolutionary advantage. So the whole *** is bad because they can’t reproduce argument is a crock of ****.

This is a topic I would love to have a solid opinion on. But I don’t. I have read all of this, and see some seeds of interesting arguments from both sides, and a lot of lack of understanding from both sides, too. One statement that made sense to me was that it should be determined by science. But science has dificulty with value judgements about what is right and wrong…it can really only speculate on what is beneficial or not to a certain goal. It cannot determine if the goal itself is worthwhile.

So, lets boil this down. What is essentially the point here? It seems to be whether a government should or should not create a law to allow or prevent homosexuals committing to the general expectations our culture has developed for married couples, and to afford them the rights and obligations that comes with that commitment.

Is that what this is all about?

wow wolfgang you have created quite a stir. but to debase your argument for a moment, evolution has no purpose, path, or direction… natural selection does, which is a simple tool of evolution. so once humanity found a sustainable population equilabrium, and had no threat of being removed as a species anytime soon, it could begin to evolve some conditions that did not need to adhere to the survival of the species. for example sexual attraction was a way of propagating our species, with no fear of extinction we could have the wiggle room as a species to have supported homosexuality from our origin. and anyway homosexuality is found in plenty of species, were just the first one to become all holier than though about it. i am not ***, i just hate people who try to use out dated absolutist ethics to come down on peoples individual freedoms. so take yo mini kantian bithc *** on.

Affording same sex couples the rights normally bestowed upon heterosexual couples means you are purposefully hindering your peoples ability to populate your land and in so doing weakening your genetic tribe or greater cultural family.

Is being *** wrong?
Stop asking questions.
Show me two happily married *** men(or women) that work hard and mind their own business and I will show you two very responsible parents of an adopted child.
We are all too close minded.
I’m not ***.
I honestly think most *** people are full of themselves and thats all they ever talk about.
Like a big brightly colored billboard screaming ”Hey look at me I’m ***! … ATTENTION!!!”
But there is good that comes out of it. Its certainly not harmed anyone.

A common false dichotomy posted above is that traits are either genetic or voluntary, with no third option. But many physical and psychological traits are based on the pre-natal environment and development in the womb. Left-handedness, for example, is believed to be due (often) to abnormalities in brain development in the womb. Genetically identical clones may have dissimilar markings. Just because something, like homosexuality, is not clearly genetic, does NOT mean that it is therefore a product of choice.

It really frustrates me that people approach this subject with such narrow minds. I have an EXTREMELY hard time understanding why people think being *** is wrong or why if someone is *** that means that they shouldn’t be afforded the same rights as everyone else.

Taking the whole “it’s wrong because the bible says so” approach doesn’t work because of that whole separation of church and state thing so that’s out.

Saying it’s not genetic and that it “needs to be fixed” is simply ignorant. There has been a gene found you can’t argue that. That also means that you can’t “convert” or “fix” *** people – they’re not broken or wrong or lost, they’re ***. It’s just the way it is.

Lastly, there is NO REASON why people can’t be civil with each other when having this discussion.

To the people who think being *** is somehow wrong: Well, you’re wrong – sorry, but you are.

To the people on the same side of the debate as I am: Keep your heads – it’s ridiculously difficult, trust me when I engage in these debates face-to-face I have an amazingly hard time restraining myself from punching all the ***-bashers and over-the-top haters in their god-damn mouths HOWEVER not all people on the other side of this debate are ignorant, hateful jerks AND spewing the same hate they spew at us only lowers us to their level. Getting angry is not a bad thing – it’s good actually but focus it into something constuctive rather than losing you cool in informal debates.

**** JESUS **** YOUR GOD

If *** people can’t marry because the Bible says being *** is an abomination, then adulterers and fornicators shouldn’t be allowed to marry either.

Hey, if you wanna follow God’s law, follow all of it, not just the parts that make you feel better about being a bigoted a-hole.

You want one reason that makes homosexuality right? It helps the earth’s overpopulation problem without hurting anyone in the process.

Interracial marriage used to be illegal until too, remember?
However, fortunately, society came to it’s senses and realized it was absurd to restrict marriage for such an inane reason.
It’s just a matter of time before the same happens with *** marriage.

So for those of you who, like Wolfgang, feel that allowing equal rights for just one more minority is a bad thing: get over yourselves. It is not about you. It is about further promotion of equality and basic human rights.

And, yes, by the way I happen to know quite a few happy *** couples that have been together for decades, and they are more dedicated and loving than some straight couples I know.

@Wolfgang – failure to sustain you argument presumably equates to your inability to successfully do so, so to put a nail in your self-righteous coffin, I just wanted to answer your question “What is one thing right with homosexuality”.

The one thing right – is love. No-one can tell two consenting and well-minded adults that their love is wrong, whether they be man and woman, two men or two women.

Also, I think the equation between homosexuals and liars, thieves and murderers is the most insulting and benign statement here. What two women or two men do behind closed doors is their business. What possible repercussion could eventuate from their relationship that could even come close to any crime? If what homosexuals DO bothers you so much, why spend time thinking about it? Do you think about what your married friends DO behind their closed doors?

Ps. My partner’s name is David. And while neither of us are religious, if God did exist, I like to think that the following passage is his way of quietly giving us his approval.

“He saw that Jonathan had given his heart to David and had grown to love him as himself. So Jonathan and David made a solemn compact because they loved the other as dearly as himself. And Jonathan stripped off the cloak he was wearing and his tunic, and gave them to David, together with his sword, his bow, and his belt.” 1 Samuel 18:1-4

Oh Wolfgang, I hope this finds its way to you, and your simple, sanctimonious and sententious life.

First, i have to say, I am not ***, nor am I an ignorant closed minded ***, I am also not christian (nor do i adhere to any organized religion). So if I offend anyone with any misinformation I apologize.

Wolfgang your obviously a homophobic bigot. I don’t think anyone here should waste there time on you anymore.

To anyone else who shares his views and seems to have joined the debate started by this wonderful and comic picture, which was obviously not intended to be taken literally (much like the bible), but was simply made to demonstrate a point, I have a few things to say.

If you do some research outside of 1000+ year old religious documents you will find that homosexuality is not something Wrong or Against the norm. In fact Homosexual behavior is exhibited by almost every species on earth. It is in fact against the norm for Homosexual activities to be absent in a given species. These activities are also harmless to any percentage of a population which does not exhibit this behavior. And in return is not responded to in any negative way.

Why should humans be any different? Why does it matter to you so much?
Isn’t the world filled with enough hate already? Is it really necessary to try to make others feel that their emotions are wrong? Why not live and let live?

And even in a Religious sense I cannot address the stances of other religions, but I know the main Christian basis for hating homosexuality comes from Leviticus. A section of the bible which also bans: shaving (Lev 19:27), gossip (Lev 19:16), eating pork (Lev 11:7), cotton/polyester blends (Lev 19:19), and associating with women who are having their periods (Lev 15:19-20). It also speaks strongly against eating shellfish but i can’t remember where…

Homosexuality is not a matter of Right and Wrong, they are irrelevant. It is not a Problem that needs Solving. It’s about people having the freedom to be themselves. Love whoever you Love!

In my opinion the more love there is in the world the better. It is only when our actions inflict and impede the rights and lives of others that we are doing something wrong.

This is kind of like arguing about Santa Claus. In fact, it’s exactly like arguing about Santa Claus.

This is NOTHING like arguing Santa Claus, because real people are being affected, real people aren’t given equal rights and real people are being cast out.

The good thing about all of this is that common sense usually prevails in the end.
Being left handed was the sign of the devil at one point. People were forced to learn write with their right hand.
Being christian when the jews were in power.
Being jewish when the Nazi’s were in power.
Being muslim during the crusades.
Being black had you being seen as a lower form of human.
Being muslim in america.

See where i am headed yet? Its the same close minded ignorance that slows down the social evolution of society. Anything new, these people are scared of.

To people saying that allowing people to have *** rights “will purposefully hindering your peoples ability to populate your land and in so doing weakening your genetic tribe or greater cultural family” I have to say first off…. WTH are you smoking! hinder my peoples ability to populate the land? is 6.9 billion not enough for you? secondly you make the mistake of thinking that if *** people are not afforded their *** rights, that they will all of a sudden decide to reproduce with women. They wont.

i have to agree with cameron above. Being *** is nothing to do with wrong or right and it is not something that needs to be fixed.

So in short Grab your Bibles and tuck yourself into your blanket of ignorance because your in for a bumpy ride on the change train.

Earlier this year the APA (American Psychological Association) released a publication including an admission that there’s no homosexual “gene” — meaning it’s not likely that homosexuals are born that way. The new statement states the following:

“There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, *** or ******* orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles….”

As a Christian, I personally dont believe a person is “born” *** or sexuality is determined/not determined by a “***” gene… HOWEVER, I do believe that people are born with predispositions or a “bent” towards certain things… I believe we are all born with a “bent” towards something… Some towards alcohol, some towards pornography, some towards murder, some towards infidelity, some greed, you name it!

Further, I disagree with the “***” gene theory because untold thousands of people have found freedom from that lifestyle, some thru a relationship with Christ, others by other means… From a medical standpoint people can “leave” the lifestyle.

I am not narrow minded, far from it… I just have recognized the “bents” in my life and allowed God to change me thru Christ and he can change you – regardless of your “bent”…

God makes me better.. He continues to work on my “bents” and helps me be a better, man, father, husband, friend, son…

@Wolfgang

What kind of moster are you? I have a feeling that you were never properly loved as a child. What has happened in your life that you can not accept love… the most pure innocent non-corrupt thing in this beloved universe. How can you call yourself a christian when you can’t accept love between two human beings? My God and My Bible teach me to accept everyone and love them as your own brother no matter what they do, and i don’t believe what they are doing in their own bedroom is any of your stupid business… I will pray for your soul tonight Wolfgang… I will pray that you will one day be properly loved by someone and therefore be able to understand love between two people should not be stopped by anyone… Especially not some Bigoted fool named Wolfgang.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1905090,00.html

check this website out… talks all about *** animals and the purposes the *** actions serve…

God loved the world sooooo much that He gave his only son, so that anyone (yes, anyone) who believed in Him, wouldn’t die, but would go to be with their Father in Heaven (their creator) for ever.

Jesus had two dads, but they weren’t fudgepackin each other! that sign makes no sense whatsoever.

“Christians opposed to political and social equality for homosexuals nearly always appeal to the moral injunctions of the Bible, claiming that Scripture, is very clear on the matter and citing verses that support their opinion. They accuse others of perverting end distorting texts contrary to their “clear” meaning. … And lest we forget Sodom and Gomorrah, recall that the story is not about sexual perversion and homosexual practice. It is about inhospitality, according to Luke 10:10-13, and failure to care for the poor, according to Ezekiel 16:19·50: “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.” To suggest that Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexual sex is an analysts of about as much worth as suggesting that the story of Jonah and the whale is a treatise on fishing.” <-Peter J. Gomes, an American Baptist minister and professor of Christian morals at Harvard

The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22 – “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.”). It is the word of God and we should not question it – so shame upon you all here, for you shall all burn in Hell, save for Wolfgang. However, I have a few questions to pose, since I am confused as to exactly how I may best serve the Lord – my fellow believer, Wolfgang, would you please enlighten me?

Forbidden by the Holy Book is the touching of the skin of a dead pig, since it makes one unclean (Leviticus 11:7-8 – “and the pig, which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you.” “Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.”). However, the local football team does not seem to understand the importance of wearing gloves whenever they play – would it be right to force them to do so, with the help of my fellow faithful?

The Bible says that it is okay to sell my youngest daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7 – “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do.”). How much would be a fair price to charge for her, do you think?

The Bible also states that it is sinful to work during the Sabbath. Of course I do not do so, but I have a friend who does. Should I kill him, as the Bible dictates (Exodus 35:2 – “On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death.”), or should I get someone else to kill him, so that I am not guilty of murder? Perhaps the police department would do the deed for me?

Please, Wolfgang – we are a few faithful in a vast sea of heretical unbelievers. I have seen how masterfully you rebutted every single argument made by these ***-lovers – I now ask you for your most wise counsel, unworthy as I am.

Peace and love. May God strike down all heathen homosexuals in his infinite power and wisdom.

@Stolanis

Wow… it is people like you that dishearten me the most… you are so narrow minded it is sad. Please open your eyes and read the whole Holy Book, if you were to read it, you would find so man contradictions you would loose count. This book and these stories were written 2 Milena ago. Why don’t you get with the times and accept people for who they are as your God would do?

learn to love (or at least accept everyone) my friend it is an attribute you will not regret… I promise

and to point out a few flaws with your argument
1) footballs are no longer made from pigskin, they are now made from leather which comes from cows
2) the majority of football players that actually touch a football in a game (i.e. center, wideouts, qb, te, and the backfiend) will be wearing gloves of some type
3) When you talk about the bible says its ok to sell your daughter into slavery… Would you? I certainly hope not… so then why should you hate ****?
4) Here comes another contradiction… you claim the bible tells you to kill anyone who works on the sabbath. This being said the bible also says tho shal not kill. This comes back to one of the countless contradictions in the book.

So no Stolanis you are not faithful… Your God would not want you to descriminate against your fellow brother and sister because of what they do in their bedroom. Your God should be Hitler because you are intrested in only your views and anyone with opposing views is wrong and needs to be “fixed (as Wolfgang said)”

Sounds kinda like what the Nazi’s wanted sir, so don’t tell me you are one of the few faithful, you are a fundamentalist nutcase who is better off waiting for the second coming of the third reich than my holy savior… so **** you

I can’t believe the arguments here. Can’t we just move on?

You know we could solve two problems in one by letting homosexuals marry:
1 Homosexuals and Religious People can work out their problems on their own time rather than ours.

2 The population on Earth is already too large to support with our resources and the lifestyles we choose, *** marriage reduces the number of new children in the world and increases the average that a child will get adopted

@Tony I’m holding up the “Sarcasm” sign for @Stolanis Read his post again my friend

Who ******* cares? The world is already overpopulated, who cares if **** “aren’t meant to reproduce”…they want to LOVE, so let them. If homosexuality is a “sickness”, as some of you so coyly put it, then let them be loved just like those with down syndrome. Nobody blames them, nobody beats up people with down syndrome.

Oh, and for those of you touting the bible as “truth” or “history”, the bible is NEITHER. **** the bible, **** religion…I’m no sheep. I’m surprised how many people flip a **** about homosexuality, meanwhile the catholic church has a massive epidemic of clergy abuse of children…why not focus your efforts there WHERE IT’S NEEDED!

You can’t have two dads because it’s physically impossible. The dude who gave your dad irritable bowel syndrome is not related to you. Your dad can give his *** lover a ring, live with him as a wife, go to your PTA meetings and tell you to call him daddy, but the fact remains that he’s not your 2nd father.

@stolanis

Forbidden by the Holy Book is the touching of the skin of a dead pig, since it makes one unclean (Leviticus 11:7-8 – “and the pig, which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you.” “Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.”).
One must remember this is where the “demons” were cast, that is why they are unclean to us.
We must also remember that when the Old Testament was written it was Gods rules for his chosen people the 13 tribes of Israel, then when Jesus was born things changed, for now it became love of one another, forgiveness of each other and ourselves. Don’t get me wrong the Ten Commandments still should be obeyed, but God sent us Jesus to die for our sins on the cross, knowing that man was and always will be sinners in one way or another. As long as we accept Jesus into our lives and ask him to forgive our sins we may have everlasting life with him and his Father, “our “heavenly Father after our mortal death.
This does not give us the right to go out and kill, rape, steal,fornicate, lie… even white lies.
I personally do not believe in the marriage of **** in the church, though if they wish to be married in a civil union I can be accepting of that. For we all have our sins and we all can be hypocrites. It is one of the things I pray for on a regular basis to be cleansed of my sinful ways. Yet I am human and I “stumble” therefor I am not one to criticise others who may stumble also
Do what one likes, love one another as Jesus loves us.
May you all have a Blessed day and forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Traditions are hard to brake from but IT WILL TAKE A LOT MORE THAN BITCHING to make real change. If the will of the *** population is stronger than the will of the traditionalists then they will succeed…eventually. They can speed up the process by risking it all, doing things as they would, had things already changed to the way they want – kind of like BRUNO ;D

stop the useless arguments let people do what they want to do. and f*** those holier than though religious ********

Wolfgang DelaSangre first you must prove that the solar messiah you worship i.e god jesus is actually real. God said a lot like don’t murder or pillage but we do even our president second god gave us all seed bearing fruit but we still can’t smoke cannabis so what can we do? go to church and give them all our money so they can build super churchs? The lady holding that sign is like me saying well why can I not smoke cannabis God said it was for me it came from a seed. Continue this debate of a book ‘bible’ and discover that the new testament was written before the old, so every thing was already known.

If everyone cant get the opportunity to get married then we should just abolish it in its entirety.

Also there is no such thing as right or wrong it is all based on personal opinion and no one is going to listen or change their already made decision on said belief.

“You can’t have two dads because it’s physically impossible. The dude who gave your dad irritable bowel syndrome is not related to you. Your dad can give his *** lover a ring, live with him as a wife, go to your PTA meetings and tell you to call him daddy, but the fact remains that he’s not your 2nd father.”

@Jonathan. I had two dads. My first dad was my biological father, who died in a house fire when I was three; I think I have one memory of him, but I can’t be sure. My second dad married my mother 15 months later. He raised me, taught me to ride my bike and to speak Spanish, pushed me into staying on at school, took the bedroom door of my hinges when I acted up, nursed me through glandular fever and paid my university fees. I owe my biological father my existence, but I owe my stepfather my life.

Biology doesn’t even come into it – my stepfather WAS my real father, and that’s that, but I suppose you’ll hold that things are somehow different for me, because my parents were at least heterosexual.

Parents don’t just come in one flavour, Jonathan, and it takes more than impregnation to make a father. I’ve met so many people in the course of my work whose lives have been irreperably damaged by abusive heterosexual parents who, on the surface at least, fit the cookie cutter model of what every bigot on this post probably thinks parents should look like.

In so many cases, I can only think it would have been to the benefit of these broken people if they HAD been raised by committed same-sex couples, who didn’t just lazily conceive as if it were their birthright, but who were forced to consider the ramifications of their decision carefully before dedicating themselves to parenthood.

I envy the little boy or girl who has two fathers if theirs are only as half as commited and loving as mine still is.

Religiously; for those arguing in favor: Everyone is free to go to heaven/hell or not, says I.

People should be asked, when reading the Bible, to ask not only what it says, but, “what did this mean when it was written,” and “what does it mean now?” because not many people realize that the Bible was written by hundreds of people at different time periods in languages that may no longer be used. Needless to say that it also has been mistranslated from Hebrew to Greek!

What’s the definition of “right” and/or “wrong”, what is perceived as true by whom, is perceived wrong by another, hence the invalidity of that which.

What is the appropriate behavior for a man or a woman in the midst of this world, where each person is clinging to his piece of debris? What’s the proper salutation between people as they pass each other in this flood? – Just let it be!

Things are neither right nor wrong, they’re just are!

A family is a family. That is exactly what so many children today are in need of a family. Children need the love that homosexuals can provide just as well as heterosexuals. If the many willing **** could adopt children [orphans], it would help our society by lessening the problem of children without families. A home is much better than an institution, or worse, the streets…

I hope at this point at least one person will have noticed the pointlessness of this debate… Everyone starts bashing on Wolfgang because he said that in his opinion, something that was wrong needed to be fixed… The response to this was calling him narrow-minded and “all the ****** prejudice”( i felt this quote summed it up well..). Now if Wolfgang is narrow-minded and can’t show love to those who are “different” and “wrong”… Why can’t y’all, who supposedly aren’t narrow-minded, show love to those who are “different” and “******”(those who differ in opinion)???

Do you see the hypocrisy… ??

Why go in circles?

You are all flat out stupid to even read or discuss this garbage. Have fun you Fn sociopaths. Like you know what’s better for anybody other than yourselves.

Go to hell mortal fools who try and think for others!
~God

The reason this homo can’t have two Dads is because he is not Jesus. Finito,Benito !

@Wolfgang…

Do some reading on evolution, and the nature of pairings and gender in other species. There are plenty of examples of other species trending towards same-sex pairings, matings, and even egg raising during times of population explosion.

Don’t rule out homosexual pairings as means of evolutionary correction. There is still a LOT that is not known about life, nature, biology.

@DRDOG… all that says is that there is no “consensus” in the scientific community. In fact it pretty much admits opinion is split. What is means is that more research is necessary.

Scientists haven’t agreed about when life begins yet, or we wouldn’t still be debating abortion either.

Back to the whole sodom and gommorah thing. I find it interesting that the only man deemed righteous enough to leave the “sinful homosexual” city had offered outright to allow the townspeople to rape his daughters in exchange for the “angels” safety.Also,when they escape and go live in the mountains the daughters get their father drunk and have sex with him.Ah,now I get it!Christians can do whatever they want.Rape,cool.Incest,even cooler.

Well said, beeg.

how ’bout y’all just shut the **** up and go live your own damn lives. quit pretending that there is any wrong or right way to live. there is only one way: whatever the **** you make of it. ******* dumbass preachy motherfuckers.

I’m not religious, but considering the simple fact that homosexuality defies natures intentions makes it wrong.

We are simply here to reproduce. A man can’t reproduce with another man, nor can a woman reproduce with another woman.

As far as “*** rights” go, statutes prohibiting homosexuality are few and far between these days, and where they are in place I dare say they are not upheld. Be *** all you want, even get a civil union, but I don’t see why you want so badly to be able to be “legally” married.

God created homosexuals. God created homophobes.
God created people who believe in fairy tales.
Every day, for some Reason, God allows infants to die horribly painful deaths.

It does say that for “man to lie with man is a abomination in the eyes of the lord.” in the bible, but it also says not to eat pork. Twice. But it’s easier to hate someone that’s different than you, than it is to change your breakfast routine, huh? (By which I mean “**** you wolfgang” you hate mongering piece of ****)

wolfgang…..
isnt legality one of the issues at hand? saying ‘only his father in the legal sense’ you’re kind of undermining yourself, no?

I have to say it. “GOOD JOB WOLFGANG”. I always find it interesting when Homosexuals, Lesbians, and other alternative life style folk focus so much on what people like Wolfgang say. It shows fear, guilt, and weakness. What I also do not understand is why be Homosexual? No one has answered that for me. You do not have to be ***, you know, just like I don’t have to be strait. Homosexuality always begins as a choice, then it becomes an addiction which leads to the whole lifestyle. But I will say this: Homosexuality is normal. Humans, in their sinful state (i.e., God-offending state) will always fail to do good or right. Being homosexual is no worse than a person telling a “white” lie or a neighbor coveting his neighbors wife. All these condemn you to everlasting torment under the Wrath of the Lamb (Jesus Christ).

I know. You do not believe in God Almighty or Jesus His Son. But it is true. It might not be tangeble or vissible now, but it will be. We have all offended God, and God knows that apart from the power of His Spirit we can never please God. Everyone is already marked with future wrath from God, no matter what we do or stop doing. Only the faith OF Jesus can save us from His wrath to come, and it will come.

So I encourage you! Get a Bible and read John, Romans, or Revelation. Try to pray. Ask God (in the name of Jesus) that if you are offending Him to show you. If you do this and believe… and you might have to do it more than once… God want to see how committed you are to finding Him. He will give you Joy like non-other. Jesus gave himself for you.

Any questions…

Well personally as a *** man I have had a deep connection with a higher power since I was a child. When I began to hear the scientific explanation about “creation” something inside me told me that can’t be right….something must be making this happen. Call it Magic, The Spirit, God…there is a higher force. Just look at the recent research on group prayer and meditation…science can’t explain how people heal faster when others pray for them (even when they don’t know it) or how large groups of meditators can decrease crime rates in large cities.

Anywho, this same inner voice was whispering to me “You know who you are, if you can’t be strong enough to come to terms with it you will create a false foundation” If I pretended to be straight for social reasons and married some poor girl (who I would never be able to love as I love a man) I would create much more misery in the world and I would starve my inner self. Love is Love no matter what. Jesus, himself, never said anything about homosexuality…just Love thy neighbor. He created a new covenant and destroyed much of the older beliefs found in the Old Testament. Those who cling to those scriptures have yet to fully understand what Jesus brought into this world.

Aloha!!

AND… don’t worry boys and girls!! It is both a blessing and a curse that no one “appears” homosexual. We, sadly in my opinion, have the ability to blend into the mainstream. Singularly we would much rather hide in the masses to avoid persecution, but don’t doubt: Together we could make quite a nice fuss!!

KEEP ******* WITH OUR GOD GIVEN FREE WILL AND INTELLIGENCE AND WE ARE GOING TO GET MAD, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SOCIAL/ETHNIC GROUP DID. WE WILL STOP ASKING POLITELY AND START DEMANDING.

How bout the whole ***/******* community decides to drop out, quit work, and start our own little *** community out in…oh i don’t know…Iowa??? Within ten years this would be the most beautiful, cultural, and intellectual community in the world with the brightest kids and….dun dun dun!! Everyone can be themselves!!! NO FEAR!! Iowa’s economy would boom while other cities and communities around the USA discover they are sorely in need of Teachers, Lawyers, Architects, Designers, Construction Workers, Librarians, and…..A lil piss and vinegar!!

Much Love Suga!!

POOR WOLFGANG. All you queens need to back off. Simply stated: if it is a genetic disorder, being *** that is, then one with this disorder would be considered “sick” in the literal sense of the word. The same way a child molester is “sick” because in his perverted mind, the attraction to children is “natural”. There is nothing “natural” or “normal” about wanting to shag the same sex. It is a “sickness” that sadly is not recognized as such and needs to be explored further, and treatment found. We do not have Child Molestor Pride Parades, so why is it so acceptable for **** to make such a big stink about being so? And as for MARRIAGE, WTH? Marriage is legalizing a union in the eyes of God. You obviously don’t believe in God or have no fear of him, so why the need to get married? Marriage is for a husband and wife, not husband and husband or wife and wife. You can’t play the marriage card if you don’t subscribe to the religious game. Plain and simple. Make your own religion, call it GAYrriage but don’t fight for a right to participate in a religious ceremony started and followed by people who plainly reject your unnatural sexual cravings. AND LEAVE WOLFGANG ALONE. He has made many a valid point to all the attitude ridden chitter chatter remarks each one of you has made back.

Looks like ‘Defending Wolfgang’ really knows what they’re talking about. The amount of closet cases on here are astounding!
~Coexist~

You know there are LEGAL reasons to be married. Married people are considered one, if one ended up in the hospital then it would be the others right and responsibility to say what goes down (pull the plug, give a go on a surgery), and if one of them dies then their personal belonging and **** dont just go to anyone, they go to the spouse. Regardless of that ****, even if there wasnt legal perks, why deny someone the right to get married? Why deny any one race or gender or sexuality anything? Its not directly affecting anyone, its not going to kill you. You can choose to ignore it.

And you cannot compare rapist,killers or molesters to homosexuals. They are two completely different things. Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Besides in my opinion, almost everyone is bisexual, its just that society says a man and a woman is the norm so majority say they are hetero, which is fine, a certain percentage probably are only atttracted to the oppisite, but then a certain percentage are only attracted to the same, and a certain percentage swing both way.

When it comes down to it though, you cant deny anyone their basic rights. That shouldnt even be a question

Wolfgang, it’s called overpopulation, and evolution accounts for it pretty well by letting men **** men. Ever heard of Malthus? He was partially right.

As for those who say homosexuality is a choice, I strongly suggest rehab for your LSD addiction. Believe me, I did not ask for persecution. I did not ask to be denied my civil and human rights. If one’s sexuality were a choice, there would be far fewer ***** people in this world. Unfortunately it isn’t.

People who oppress the LGBTQ community are nothing more than frightened. They are frightened for their own traditional values of masculinity and femininity; they are often the people who think women belong in the kitchen. If we were not so hell-bent on our current notions of sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender roles, discrimination against the LGBTQ community would not exist.

Now for a line-by-line.

@Defending Wolfgang — I strongly suggest you learn to warrant your argumentation. It does not serve you well to ignore reason.

@vice — I ****** God up the ***. That makes about as much sense as what you’re saying. Your audacity is absolutely astounding, and your ignorance of religions other than your own is pervading. Go back to ******* middle school where they taught you about world religions.

@Everyone who says that LGBTQ people should not have rights — Even if a concession is made that queerness is a disorder, it is impossible to win that LGBTQ people should not have the same rights as all other people, including marriage. Depression is a disorder too, and clinically depressed people are allowed to marry. There is no denial of rights for these people.

This all being said, good for the haters. I respect that you have these beliefs, but I disrespectfully disagree, and my community will continue to do so until we are treated as humans. Inevitably, though, we will rise above, like all other groups who have been treated in this way.

And for the record, Christianity is dead. The amount of sin–for lack of a better word–it allows is sickening. Feel free to contact me for any argumentation you wish to start. I look forward to being converted! ethan.hawes1@gmail.com

Well actually 3 fathers…The roman soldier who slept with marry (Panthera), Joesph (step-father?), and god…hmmm i wonder how many people this will piss off? haha

@Wolfgang and his supporters: Are you actually trying to equate murder and rape to homosexuality? Murder and rape are both “wrong” because they lack mutual respect. Mutual respect is the only universal Truth, and is what should be the guiding principal of this argument. The bottom line, any act that is not mutually respectful is wrong. This means that anyone participating in a sexual act must both respect and be respected by the other…or others (whatever rocks your boat). Wolfgang and those who argue that the act of homosexuality is wrong have lost sight of the Truth. They are disrespectful of others and highly irrational. Focusing on what gets inserted where and with who obscures their argument. Perhaps Wolfgang and his gang of Mary men…I mean merry men, have judgment which is clouded due to some repressed feelings that they need to work out of their thought process (this should be worked out with a therapist, not on a public forum).

In conclusion, mutual respect is the key; it is what Habermas calls, “the force of the dialectical argument”. In other words, it is the rational argument. However, before something can be “right” or rational, all opinions must be respected. This means that all opinions must be taken into consideration. Even the opinions of douche bags like Wolfgang and the like count…but in the end, the rational opinion will always win. It is the better (the right) argument, which is based on Truth (mutual respect). For example, in the past it was argued that women were property. What sane person argues that today? In fact, today many European countries and Canada have liberalized their constitutions, and have added the right to civil unions and marriages for *** and ******* couples. Many U.S states are following this rationale, and eventually Wolfgang’s opinion will cease to exist. His argument will have no bearing on our rational society. His voice on this matter will be muted, just like the voices of those lacking mental clarity in the past.

Cheers!

There are too many comments to read them all. So if I repeat, I apologize.
1) Homosexuality is genetic
2) studies have shown that a child is more likely to be a homosexual if they are 3-4th child. key word MORE LIKELY. This does not mean all children after the 1st child will be a homosexual.
3)Also one viewpoint is that is has to do with hormone levels in the mother’s body.

And on a note. Did you know transgendered peoples brains are actually structurally more similar to the gender they believe they are? (Transgendered people aren’t really considered *** but I thought the point was cool.)

And when people say that men aren’t made to have sex that way… uhm hello… the prostate?

On the evolutionary stand point, homosexuals actually do play some role. Since they are not inclined to have sex with the opposite gender, they will most likely not have children. This could indicate that their purpose to limit the genepool and give a greater chance of survival to children in their families. Kind of like a wolf pack, where only the two alpha wolves can have kids and the rest have to watch over the pack. That is only one theory.

There is no “right or wrong” or “good or evil” All of those are things created by our societies/communities moral viewpoints. What is wrong in one culture may be right in another.

And in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter.

Oh and I LOL’d at the sign. So true. Just because Joseph isn’t the biological father doesn’t make him any less of a father.

Also creeping out God is Jesus so God is his own Father….

‘And Joseph was married to Mary. And Mary had God’s child… isn’t that adultery. And really what kind of father just leaves his kid to be raised by another man. Really don’t get the bible…

Forget religion all together…it is a belief. It shouldn’t be involved in anyone’s life besides the people that believe. The fact that it plays such a large role in our society and crucial decisions makes me sick. Does it really matter what these religious people think?…AT ALL? Forget it….everyone is different…embrace diversity and be kind.

What goes on between consenting adults has nothing to do with anyone but those consenting adults. Wether its a choice or you are born that way is irrelevant. People just want to live their lives and some of them want to have families or get married. You talk about sanctity of marriage…but you guys didnt ivent it..,even if you did why should you pick who gets ot get married. Will your god make you divorce your wife if I marry my partner? Being LGBQT doesnt harm anyone…but hatred and the violence resulting from it does.

@Wolfgang: Epic troll.

@Defending Wolfgang: Are you really so daft so as to be unable to understand the concept of ‘informed, consenting adults’ when it comes to interpersonal relationships?

I mean, just ignoring the fact that you tried to draw and equivalence between child predators and homosexuals, do you have any idea what being an adult entails? Or why children have special laws protecting them from adults?

“Make your own religion, call it GAYrriage but don’t fight for a right to participate in a religious ceremony started and followed by people who plainly reject your unnatural sexual cravings.”

Who said anyone was fighting to participate in *your* religious ceremony. Who gave *you* the license on marriage? The emperor’s of China, the Pharoahs of Egypt and many more cultures pre-date the *rules* of the God you appear to be referring to, and yet the concept of marriage was fully established.

Perhaps the reason homosexuals are getting married in our modern society is that they are personally more faithful to the ethics and morals which inspired human progress throughout history than the pack of hypocritical liars and demagogues that you suck the ******* off every time they condemn or judge another group of people. Perhaps they are simply better equipped to raise moral and ethical children in lieu of the undereducated, brainwashed-by-religion, popping-out-babies, no job, no prospects, collecting welfare from your tax dollars and maybe-addicted-to-meth type of person that our society has inspired among heterosexuals.

Whether or not you agree about stereotypes, the heterosexuals in the world who aren’t turning their backyard into a garbage dump are aware of the real problems we face as humans and the real values and strengths that we share. If you had any faith in God, you would be inspiring homosexuals instead of judging the iniquities you perceive in others. It’s okay, though, because there’s a good chance you believe you’ll go to Hell and you probably deserve it at this point.

seriously Christians need to stop being so ignorant ang open there minds your god is selfish and your bible is filled with plot holes, i bet half of you cant even name four books out of both new and old testament. stop believing in something just because it makes you feel good about the afterlife, a 2000 year old book isnt evidence for an afterlife so just give it up. there is no god there is no after life and if there is no way you could possible comprehend it. look into an agnostic life style because its the only way you will ever be free of the bullshit that is religion. Religion causes more wars and suffering than anything else in this world, think about it! why would you want to follow that?

frankly, after reading some of the comments, EVERYONE scares me. but especially the Christians.

you **** ever heard of Saddam and Gomorrah. the U.S. will be judged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you christians and religious zealots need to realize that all organized religions are fictional. they were made up by the great thinkers of the past as a means to controlling the masses. it’s work quite well..don’t you think considering most atrocities commited by man were in the name of religion. come off your high horse and let these poor people live their lives in a manner which makes them happy. if your not *** then their way of life should have no impact on you. wolfgang – you sound like a typical religious schmuck. what are you gonna do when you realize the sham is up and there is no afterlife and hell except for the one you created here on earth.

Amazing how one sign can spew such a fountain of ignorance and narrow-mindedness on the internet. Unbelievable.

You people can carry on believing in your precious invisible man in the sky – just leave the rest of us the hell alone and keep your naive closed-off thinking to yourself. FOR ONCE.

Technically, if you have two *** male parents and christian you would have three fathers, not two. God the father and Jesus are one, so that included with Joseph doesn’t equate to two.

Yes, everyone is open-minded except christians… and yet no one can “open their mind” a little bit to christians?

According to y’all.. us christians seem to hate everyone that’s not christian..

And according to me.. y’all seem to hate everyone that is christian…

Now if that doesn’t seem similar to you all.. then…

and FYI– please just stop trying to support your statement with the quote from Leviticus and Deuteronomy.. the thing about pork doesn’t apply, it was to remind them of the clean/unclean sacrifices. (just a small thing i noticed)

For all those morons who can’t accept a human being for what he or she prefers or is. Think just a little back, a couple hundreds of years ago women were considered the carriers of evil and witchcraft (Ever heard or read the Malleus Malleficarum? It’s creepy to know a high ranked priest wrote that), black colored people were considered to be sons of the devil or minions on earth… and deserved to be treated as scum. TODAY we blame that on the church because it was it who said so by misinterpreting the Bible to what they think was right.

The Bible says we were created in God’s image and put on Earth with FREE WILL. God said you shall not mess with it, so WHO ARE YOU to judge his decision or the choices of his children? Rapists, war starters, arsonists, serial killers, your parents and mine and also every single member of the catholic church are the same, EVERYONE should be free, even if it comes with all the trouble it has provoked on us all through history.

We put criminals in jail because they broke their right to freedom on planet Earth by taking advantage of the freedom of someone else, damaging their body (resemblance to God) or mind (free will again).

Homosexuals usually only want to live in peace and according to what they feel, know and think. Same as WHOEVER is reading this.

Correction to last post… sorry for the spelling or verbal errors. =)

Ohh and also…

@asdfh: About that “hating” well… I don’t hate believers and I don’t hate non believers.

I hate ignorance, and people who can’t think for themselves, people who just repeat what someone else said but they HAVEN’T even gave it a serious thought separating each argument and doing the complete ANALYSIS. Thoughts, feelings, ideas, concepts, interpretation, and of course putting oneself in other’s shoes.

I was raised by a catholic/christian mother (not entirely sure, not like we have to write that on a CV), an atheist father. In a CATHOLIC school for 10 years, open minded high school and college.

I won’t say i’m catholic 100% or christian xx%. I rather put myself as someone who has known many of the sides available out of study, lecture, book research. I care about people, respect their ideas, admire hard work everywhere (random 90+ years old man selling stuff door by door/mother sweeping or cleaning/child cleaning cars or selling gum to earn a few coins INSTEAD of stealing, begging, etc). Mainly, i’ve taken that “set” of IDEALS/VALUES that allow me to be cool with myself, still believe in the existence of a higher being (notice i did not name it) who is not necesarily 100% love or understood.

What I’m trying to say here is… I live my life in a way that permits me to think by myself, create my own opinions and still be open to new sources, comments, concepts and of course a DIALOGUE =)

Have a nice day everyone

Homosexuality is a CHOICE. And I am really, really sorry you have been fooled into thinking you cannot change. Anyone can. George Washington was the USA’s first President. We have all learned, read, and heard this. It is ingrained into our minds. It would take a lot to convince each of us (even with facts) that all this time we had it wrong. It was Mickey Mouse. Society, politics, and your own minds are against ya. These things are constantly going to fool you for their very benefit, not yours. Only trusting in Jesus Christ will free you from all the distractions and lies of the world.

Well, you have to know God and Jesus. You cannot understand (or even correctly quote) either of them unless you understand their character. God and Jesus are ONE. ONE in CHARACTER. When he said love your neighbor as yourself he obviously meant it. I know you might not think of me loving you right now, but I am. I cannot stand the fact all of you are rejecting truth (because you have made lying your lifestyle). I do love you all, and tell you the Truth for this reason… so that you will be free. Jesus did say the sexual immoral will spend eternity in the lake of fire:

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”– Jesus Christ (Revelation 21:8)

Now you might try to tell me you are not sexually immoral. Fine. You still are going there because of your unbelieving. But really, who’s to say what is immoral anyways? Man or God (who created Man)? I put my whole life on God. Say it. I am narrow minded. I agree. It is because no matter how much you feel persecuted, hurt, or even mistreated there is (and I am sure of this) always someone who is calling you home. Embrace Jesus. Quite blaming everything on your foolish misconceptions. It will cost you in the end.

OH. AND I AM NOT CATHOLIC. THEIR WHOLE ESTABLISHMENT IS OF THE DEVIL. Like that will change what y’all think of me.

I love to steal. I had two dads, too. The first died young and I’ve been trying to ruin his family for years.

Yup, I live here in Opalocka and my second dad is the Pastor of the Church of the Nazarene and I’d like to ruin him to.

That previous post is a sick ****.

@Stolanis

Man, I am a believing Christian (not Catholic). I would consider myself to be fundamental in my beliefs (meaning that I only believe what the Word of God says). And I tell you this in all love: You are way off basis! Yes the Bible says those things, but It is about interpreting the Bible with the Bible. You cannot take one verse, say the verse about selling of slaves. You have to understand that slavery is not rebuked in the Bible, but beating your slaves is. And thank God slavery has been abolished in most industrialized nations! God has no problem with this. But also the Jesus said that whoever is in debt in enslaved to the lender. Are you in debt?

My point is this– there are so many verses in the Bible that are continually taken out of context. The Truth here is that twisting scripture (like you did) and homosexuality sins as much as any other. Evil. Remember when Satan tempted Jesus? THe devil is the master of twisting scripture.

Everyone on this page is twisting the Bible. Taking from it what they want to use for his/her own argument. This is the Holy Bible being misused by evil people. When you all see Jesus standing there on Judgment Day and find out you were wrong because you only wanted to believe part of the Bible… what are you going to say? “I did not like that verse, Holy God.”?

Only those who deny their evil desires and turn from their sins and trust in Jesus as the Risen Son of Jehovah God will inherit Eternal Life. This is the main theme of the Bible. It is the purpose of everyone’s life, and the wondrous story that can either end in everlasting peace or everlasting pain. Either choice you make, in the end you will find yourself in the Presence of God–God’s Glory or God’s Wrath.

Go to the website. They are a bunch of videos. One is of a former-homosexual who was Saved by the Grace of Jesus.

http://www.illbehonest.com

Homosexuality is a choice, happens because of many many different reasons (bad parents perhaps, peer pressure maybe, wanting to be different, etc).

It’s possible homosexuals may have similarities in their brains, but that still isn’t an excuse; if it was, we could excuse serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, etc. due to their brain defects.

Homosexuality is like any other harmful habit, except they try to make you believe there’s nothing wrong with it. The way I try to explain it is if you get enough people to believe it, pedophilia could be considered fine too, if they say the kids consent to it.

Look at the Mary Kay Letourneau case. The boy was 13 years old. Obviously he wasn’t old enough to make an informed decision, and his parents didn’t approve of it at all. They even tried to sue the school for not protecting the boy when he was there, but a lawyer actually convinced them “nothing could keep them apart”.

Does that mean it was ok? If it does, why do we demonize sex offenders so much? Isn’t it unfair to judge someone with a brain defect like they’re a normal person? Shouldn’t we allow them the same freedom as homosexuals, if they find a “partner” that’s willing to be with them?

And tell me, how is it different exactly? Before the whole *** revolution, there weren’t a lot of families that accepted their *** sons and daughters when they came out, and definitely didn’t approve of their partners. How is that different from a pedophile’s partner’s family? Sickening to think about, isn’t it?

Of course that analogy has plenty of holes and exceptions, just like any other, but it makes ya think. THINK DAMMIT, THINK!

if its not pro-creation, its con-creation…..its just not what we were ment to do

What’s right about homosexuality:

Two individuals loving one another based on physical and emotional attraction.

The satisfaction of finding another like oneself who can reciprocate such feelings.

Being ‘complete’, as it were, upon finding a significant other – the same joy heterosexual people feel.

Living as one desires, in spite of Biblical or societal beliefs.

Happiness and love, two things that are void of being ‘wrong’.

@ vice

Trolling for ministry? It’s funny how the hellspawn of three decades mired in religion and sloth can’t make a dime when their smarmy friends aren’t able to appoint them without qualifications. When they can’t break the laws of men and show favoritism to Christians, against the wishes of the founding fathers of this nation. Ever read Thomas Jefferson’s Bible? There is a reason they refer to the end of the 18th century as ‘The Enlightenment’ and (oddly enough) it doesn’t have to do with burning witches and casting out devils to save our souls.

“Now you might try to tell me you are not sexually immoral. Fine. You still are going there because of your unbelieving. But really, who’s to say what is immoral anyways? Man or God (who created Man)? I put my whole life on God.”

No, you deliberately put your life on Man. You accuse other men of twisting the word of God. You judge and condemn men (homosexuals) according to the interpretation of scripture you grew up with and you obviously haven’t done a lick of work researching your beliefs. You are about as incurious about faith and religion as the dropouts at your local public school and your words have demonstrated as much.

“Remember when Satan tempted Jesus? THe devil is the master of twisting scripture. ”

Did you huff a lot of glue when you were younger? Just think about what you wrote and let’s examine the plethora of contemporary religious influences we have. Who is the master of twisting scripture? That’s right, you already know. No, I mean the Men that you fail to condemn who have more influence over your faith than any homosexual, ever. The Jerry Falwells and Sun Myung Moons of the world.

Somehow the words of ‘heretics’ talking about marriage for homosexuals moves you to speak up? *But* when it comes to condemning the money changers (turning charity into a political lobby against homosexuals) in the church or drawing attention to verses in scripture that demand peace and tolerance (to balance all this anti-homosexual focus in your house of worship) whenever possible, you catch a real convenient case of better-f*cking-keep-my-mouth-shut, I bet. It’s okay, that doesn’t mean you’re *** (it’s a hint, though), it just means your are a coward in the eyes of your fellow man.

You’re a real piece of work in the self-righteous judging sort of way, too. If we ever meet, remind me to punch you in the mouth so you can turn the other cheek.

well, people are not guy guys, people are not born guy, people are not even people nowadays, people are now just a sick creation of our sick society, you are just a creation of our stupidity, you are not ok , we are not ok, why ? LOOK AROUND ? it does look ok in any way the world today ? is ok to destroy, kill…. our world ? *** is just a stupid pause of creation, in a way is ok at least you dont make more kids to destroy our planet , but if you would think straight the wolrld is all about creation… you are to stupid to get it( some) not all , look in the sky and then look on the ground you are nothing compare to all , your ideas and belives are wrong and ok in the same time, but in the end it dosen`t matter you will die, and what you let behind is the true living for, we are to complicated becouse we are to stupid to realise the real sens of our life`s but in the same time we dont know nothing about our life`s sens, so what we do ? we **** each other in the name of love ? we dosent have any moral laws any more, we dont do nothing for our planet witch is destroying slowly becouse our “ingeniousity” but yea lets all be *** that is so good for us ******* each other in anuses is a clever think to do and live for. you are sick idiots, first **** a girl at least, trey that, choose what you like more after you know that, “don`t chose what you eat just becouse of the smell, eat then reconsider” , and about religion is just your excuse for anything CAN`T YOU REALIZE THAT ? i am not talking just about *** movement, religion is your excuse to do what you think is better for you but from start you DONT THINK , or you do ? if yes, i am not here to judge go make sex with a **** hole if you are so stupid or so clever , have fun living yout life people, you are pathetic is my opinion about you, but is ok i am ok with you becouse we are to meny stupid people on our planet anyway at least you will stop creating more, so good luck with your idea of life
“Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose. From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men — above all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends.
– Albert Einstein,”

*** not guy

You know, here in Scandinavia this discussion pretty much ended in the late seventies. That the right to love whomever you choose still sparks heated debate in the most powerful atomic weapon holding nation is very much a troubling situation to the rest of the world.

And teaching creationism in your schools…? Jeez, what are you, living in the middle ages or what?

Welcome to the modern world. We’ll love you for who you are. Even if that turns out to be a backward, slightly inbred redneck bigot.

What the hell is wrong with you people? Why did I read all of that?

I’m annoyed by people wasting their time, writing out lengthy responses to the lunatics that are commenting on here.

Agh. I think I just had a brain hemorrhage.

*** people are idiots. Really. I would understand *** people if they would be treated like Chinese prisoners or US soldiers captured by Iraqis but I can’t figure out what the hell is it that you want in democratic countries?

I mean you can drive a car like everybody else, you can work just like everybody else, you browse the internet just like everybody else, you can do everything normal people can do. What is it that you want so bad you have to protest all the time?

I mean, you ARE unnatural, you can’t deny that. Nature has created two sexes, male and female and both of them are needed to create a baby so if you’re unable to do that, it means you’re acting against nature, you are unnatural and hey, it’s your own personal thing that you like to suck dicks so I don’t see how we normal, natural, human beings are threatening you.

I mean, get a life.

I love you, NobleBear. I seems a little rediculous to me that there is such a debate here in the States about *** marriage and whether or not beign *** is a choice or is genetic. I love your point on the schools here teaching creationism. I can’t believe acedemia let that happen when the theory of evolution has been the preferred method for explaining how we got here. The Jesus freaks like to say everything we do today is a sin, whilst the atheists like to say, “Who cares? It doesn’t matter anyway,” I think both are wrong, personally. I just don’t see what business it is of mine or anyone else’s who loves who and who wants to marry who. The only marriages that should not be allowed are those that are used to establish citizenship. If ***’s want to be miserable with their spouse, more power to them, if straights want to be miserable with their spouse, more power to them. Personally, I don’t want to be miserable, so no marriage for me!

i think that no one will go as far down as my comment and actually read it, but i have a gem concerning homosexuality being right. I forget who, but there was a famous darwinian scientist who hypothesized that there were some natural occurrences that prevent the domination of one species, therefore encouraging homeostasis in our natural habitat, and homosexuality was one of them. Humans have learned how to “turn off” some of these balances (famine, drought, epidemics of sickness) hence our current domination of the planet. Homosexuals before artif. insemination, and surrogate mothers were around wouldn’t procreate, which served the purpose of ensuring our scarcity -which in turn ensured that we wouldn’t do what we are doing now- dominating and killing until our resources are at risk of disappearing. Therefore according to science, and nature, homosexuality is “right” even if its purpose is no longer fulfilled. Posts before me have already shown that it is also “right” according to theology, philosophy and many religions.

@ Servant
“Ever read Thomas Jefferson’s Bible?”
Well, of course. TJ was an odd fellow. He was all for the revolution, but despised war. He claimed to be an agnostic, but attended Church quite regularly. He was a great man and I admire his life, but he was the hypocryte’s hypocryte.

“There is a reason they refer to the end of the 18th century as ‘The Enlightenment’ and (oddly enough) it doesn’t have to do with burning witches and casting out devils to save our souls.”

If some fake preacher put on his church sign ‘enlightened church’ you would be the first to attend, wouldn’t you? Just because a period of history is considered the Enlightenment is certainly no reason for anyone to subscribe to the wacky religious and scientific assumptions that arose during that period of time. Everyone knows the Enlightenment had nothing to do with burning witches, and neither does True Christianity.

“No, you deliberately put your life on Man. You accuse other men of twisting the word of God.”

What benefit would I get from you not being homosexual? None really. All I know is that God’s word says it leads to hell as much as every other sin. You might accuse me of basing my beliefs on man’s teaching rather than God’s. Have you read the Bible, Servant?

AND

How should I interpret Leviticus 18:22, 20:13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; or Romans 1:26-28? These all clearly say that homosexuality is a detestable abomination unto Jesus.

“Somehow the words of ‘heretics’ talking about marriage for homosexuals moves you to speak up? *But* when it comes to condemning the money changers (turning charity into a political lobby against homosexuals) in the church or drawing attention to verses in scripture that demand peace and tolerance (to balance all this anti-homosexual focus in your house of worship) whenever possible, you catch a real convenient case of better-f*cking-keep-my-mouth-shut, I bet. It’s okay, that doesn’t mean you’re *** (it’s a hint, though), it just means your are a coward in the eyes of your fellow man.”

Well first I have to ask you what verse about peace and tolerance are you referring to? There are none, and if i missed them… than please let me know of them so I can change my ways. The church should not be involved in political lobbying. It is wrong. Political lobbying is wrong period, but for a church to do it is sin. All I wish is that as many people as possible escape the wrath of hell. I do not have a anti-pride agenda. I care very much for **** and non-**** alike. I would tell (and have told) a co-worker these same things about Salvation and the only way to attain the favor of God is to repent and live for Christ.
It sucks. I hate it to sometimes. I want to go back to my ways of livin’. Drinkin. Snortin’. Bangin’. But I asked God to really show me the Truth (apart from what Jerry Fallwell or Billy Grahm say). I read the Bible in prison. Underlined, scratched, circled. I base my testimony on the Bible. Not on man. Jesus is so real. He is coming soon… be ready.

“You’re a real piece of work in the self-righteous judging sort of way, too. If we ever meet, remind me to punch you in the mouth so you can turn the other cheek”

I would whoop you, son.

I suppose it would be proper to call my self Christian in order to explain this simply. Let’s say God exists, and God made humans. He made men to be with women in relationships. Same sex people cannot reproduce. That basicly sums up that. Now time to eat a delicious sandvich.

The **** are an abomination, a cancer to the Earth. They need to be treated, I prefer burning them. Although, mutilationg them with a machete works, too. I am not joking, If I saw one, I’d kill it. Why do they deserve to exist? It is the rebelious thoughts of humans that make them obsoleet. They rebel against order. They kill their own species. They do dumb thing s like choose to be homosexual. Also, the sandvich was good.

@Lebeddev it’s obsolete, sandwich and mutilating.

p.s. you are so ***!

Hey Wolfgang DelaSangre, you are right and wrong. Jesus had only one father, but he had TWO dads. There is a difference.

homosexuality is simply another form of population control

I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Why is it, every time you see a photo like this, it’s always an overweight woman (frequently with glasses) who is jabbing her finger into someone’s face? Is the religious right comprised largely of large angry women? These issues need to be addressed.

The funny thing about religion is that there are so many out there and alot of the times the religion you practice is the result of where and how you grew up.doesn’t that make it seem like playing the lottery?the other funny thing is that we should live together and though religious people feel “oppressed”what you consider oppression is simply another group of people being angry about you thinking we should all have to live by rules we don’t agree with.stop worrying about my immortal soul.I’m not.

Of course you can have two dads, if you want to. It’s your life. Why let the government hold the right over family issues? Historically, governments have had nothing to say about such things, e.g., George Washington didn’t have a marriage license.

As for the Jesus issue, it had nothing to do with two *** men living together. (1) it’s heresy of the worst kind to suggest so; you certainly have the freedom to say it, but I would not take God so lightly, and (2) it’s very poor hermaneutics concerning the Bible. To say that Jesus did have an earthly father by adoption, is correct, but to think that God condones any sin, be it homosexuality, adultery, gossip, stealing, coveting, etc. is horribly off-base.

My suggestion is that we take back our liberty and not let the government decide who marries who. As for the issue of homosexuals raising a child, I do believe that the state has the responsibility to protect the innocent and remove the child from that situation. (Just exercising my right to free speech)

Remove the innocent from that situation?Don’t you think it’s a worse situation to grow up without someone to care for you than to be cared for by loving parents who happen to be ***?

Jesus had two dad? YES!
But they are human and God.
You want two dads too? Tell me… one of them God?

Clever, but if you actually think about it, the situation of Jesus was closer to one of adoption. And adoption is already legal.

If Wolfgang was a god and this blog represented a religion the religion would be deism because Wolfgang created the argument and then checked out a long time ago.god,I’m clever.

Wlfgang and Vice are two stupid *** tards.

I cant believe you are wasting your time and energy arguing your point. Dont you get that no matter how hard you try to change people minds, its not going to work? Your shoddy argument just make sensible people like us stand stronger for our opinions.

And it’s sad that your opinions are also further polarized. Use your energy for something good, for YOUR God’s sake. Go build another church or something.

wow,
maybe people should just use their energy to come up with intelligent phrases like”stupid *** tards”.

Allow me to sum up this entire string of comments:
5%: Christians foolishly attempting to explain why homosexuality is sinful to those who have no interest in Christ.
70%: Non-Christians hypocritically stating that the aforementioned 5% are narrow-minded.
20%: Similar demographic to the above, but instead of at least putting up a hypocritical argument, they simply string together expletives usually including “F*** your religion/God/Jesus”
4.95%: A portion of both sides realizing the futility of the above, and trying to explain it.
Me: Hoping that intelligent readers, both Christian and Non-Christian, will read this post long enough to hear the following:
Homosexuality and same-sex marriage is an extraordinarily emotional topic and cannot (probably should not) be discussed from a purely objective standpoint.
Christianity is the same way.
IF you have realized that your current position, be it homosexual or otherwise, feels devoid of some unknown meaning, take a second look at the Bible. It is scientifically the most historically accurate document for its age ever to exist, but more importantly you may find that science doesn’t have all the answers by reading it.
Leave some Christians to argue fruitlessly. Leave some hypocrites to bash them. Make your OWN choice and don’t fall in line.

@Eso
Honestly, I apologize for these posts. I directed my comments because it had to be done. This was a funny page until I read the comments. It will be a funny page again, or I’m not a hypocrite.

@vice
Look at you trying to argue with me now. Did you really need an explanation for the character of my words? Do me a favor and *don’t reply*.

“Well, of course. TJ was an odd fellow. He was all for the revolution, but despised war. He claimed to be an agnostic, but attended Church quite regularly. He was a great man and I admire his life, but he was the hypocryte’s hypocryte.”

Let me guess. You read David McCoullough. Do you know why I’m trolling you? You are the *real* hypocrites hypocrite who goes around blaring ‘Christianity!’ along with your ignorance. You are like the ‘Allah Akbar’-yelling fools demanding the death of whoever insulted their holy cow while the rest of their family just feels embarrassed (or waits for the police to arrive). So are you the ignorant guy shouting or just a member of the ignorant family pretending religious crazies don’t have a problem that needs corrected far more immediately than any marriage initiatives by homosexuals?

“If some fake preacher put on his church sign ‘enlightened church’ you would be the first to attend, wouldn’t you? Just because a period of history is considered the Enlightenment is certainly no reason for anyone to subscribe to the wacky religious and scientific assumptions that arose during that period of time. Everyone knows the Enlightenment had nothing to do with burning witches, and neither does True Christianity.”

I don’t need anyone to tell me which church to attend, thankyouverymuch. It figures that you would toss out an immediate prejudice towards the *term* ‘enlightened’ as suggesting fake-ness for a church. Very *enlightened* of you.

The first Christian colonists of North America burned people in witch trials. It’s a fact. When sh-t got real and they were left to themselves (no *crazy* atheists around to muck things up) they burned their own people and lived off the charity of Native Americans. How do you like that?

We could similarly refer to the ‘evangelism’ of pre-Christian Central and South America with the expeditionary connivance of European monarchs (who were after gold, naturally). It’s a pretty grim picture this ‘Good News’ paints, let me tell you.

“What benefit would I get from you not being homosexual? None really.”

So this is supposed to be a rhetorical argument? Don’t answer that one! Haha, isn’t it fun and informative arguing witYOULOSE.

“You might accuse me of basing my beliefs on man’s teaching rather than God’s. Have you read the Bible, Servant?”

Maybe I don’t know Aramaic, ***. You certainly leave a lot to be desired as a teacher. Are we still being rhetorical?

“How should I interpret Leviticus 18:22, 20:13; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; or Romans 1:26-28? These all clearly say that homosexuality is a detestable abomination unto Jesus.”

“Well first I have to ask you what verse about peace and tolerance are you referring to? There are none, and if i missed them… than please let me know of them so I can change my ways.”

The fact that you reference these verses like they prove something should *reveal* your first problem. Since we were talking about how *you* are a coward for remaining silent in church and continuing to let this focus on verses condemning homosexuality project and control you. How many things are condemned in the Bible? You act like you *shouldn’t* know and I think you should if this is the way you’re going to act, ***.

According to the verses you reference, they nipped this in the bud two thousand years ago. If you are a real grown-up and not some namby-pamby tosser who leaves sh-tstreaks in their jammies, you *should* know and I *shouldn’t* have to be the one to tell you. Do you *talk* to people outside the bubble of your faith? Is that against your religion as well?

All these ‘articles of faith’ (including burning witches and heretics) pre-date the founding of the US Consitution and ‘The Enlightenment’ – the latter of which I was referring to *because* this time period saw the rise of Christian Doctrine (like TJ’s) which was *respectable* and not rife with ignorance, prejudice and racism. Don’t like homosexuality? Fine, get on with your life and, for God’s sake, don’t prostitute yourself in airport bathrooms.

Is homosexualtiy an abomination in your eyes? Why do *you* have to be such a rubber-necking hick, ***? There are better causes to be served, like preserving clean drinking water in the face of corporate polluters or solving the energy crisis caused by epidemic consumption or even the cost of health care. Nope, we would much rather counter-protest or shout down a homosexual who is pursuing the legal avenues of their representation as a citizen. I mean, these three pages of the Bible say *it’s important*, dammit! We’ve got to ignore the fact that these legal rights were originally documented as ‘inalienable’ and granted to protect all people from witch trials and mob riots (which are still problematic in parts of Africa and Asia). Imagine that.

“The church should not be involved in political lobbying. It is wrong….But I asked God to really show me the Truth (apart from what Jerry Fallwell or Billy Grahm say). I read the Bible in prison. Underlined, scratched, circled. I base my testimony on the Bible. Not on man. Jesus is so real. He is coming soon… be ready.”

Did you go to jail for sodomy? I only ask because of the context. I don’t care, but if I knew you were a responsible human being (and not a judgmental prick) who wanted to get married and adopt a child without parents, damn f-cking right I would support your right to get married and adopt that child.

And so we’ve come full circle. What if you had read Malcom X or Karl Marx or Aldous Huxley? What if you dropped acid and read the Hindu Vedas? I can tell you that *I* haven’t even read two of those four, but I can already see that you’d assume, just because I mentioned them in a *question*, they were *my* gods, contrasted to *your* Bible. Can I assume that you would also assume my beliefs at that point, as well?

It’s one thing to open your eyes to the world two millenia ago and observe how it can guide your life. Believing in miracles and the son of God, aside, I mean – reading any holy book can give you an appreciation that transcends religious differences.

It’s quite another to run prophecy out of your mouth, judge your fellow man and assume authority over others because you converted to religion after going to prison and reading the same book over and over. Other men have gone to prison and read other books. You are not unique in this aspect, nor is your particular form of mania.

Every one of us breaks *some* law, but the laws which matter the most to us inform our actions. I believe legislating religious doctrine is simply wrong if it violates inalienable human rights (like privacy), so nobody should be going to jail for sodomy either. According to my good friend Matthew, people can pray in their own closet and it’s as holy as the ground consecrated for a church if they’re praying to God. I’m not saying I believe that in every situation, but maybe you should think on that before you rush to judgment.

TL; DR: “I would whoop you, son.”

Thanks for being my Internet Tough Guy, bub. Next time you are picking up your teeth, remember this discussion.

To All of the Fence Sitters:
I know that you think you are being fair and open minded to say that everyone is entitled to their opinions but I am curious to know if any of you “fair and open minded” individuals are *** themselves.We aren’t talking about a persons right to choose chocolate over vanilla ice cream or sitting around the campfire discussing the meaning of life.If you are *** it’s more that a hypothetical moral discussion,it’s your life.How would you feel if someone told you that whether you should be ALLOWED to be with someone you love in a legal and law abiding way is just a matter of perspective.You would be thinking,why do you care?And honestly,why do you care?Respect each others opinions is just a PC bullshit way to say”I don’t care who is right because it doesn’t affect me.Think about that next time you expect someone to stand up for your rights.

@ES0: Really… “It is scientifically the most historically accurate document for its age ever to exist.” Do you even know what science is? Now I’m not saying the Bible is irrelevant. It is a metaphysical document with some good stories that try to explain some difficult philosophical questions. However, it has no basis in science. I’m sick of all you people trying to validate the Bible by trying to link it to science just because science is the modern day dialect. If you want to accept it as truth accept it as philosophical truth not scientific truth. Figure out the difference please because you sound moronic.

Wow! Its amazing a simple picture can spark an argument like this. Thats why i love the internet. People of all beliefs can share their opinions with others and i think that is great. I am no longer a religious person and all the arguments about what it says in the bible and gods plan for the human race really dont mean much to me. I like to consider myself an open minded person, despite being brought up in a very christian household. I believe that we should be able to love who we want regardless of gender. Close Minded people really diminish my hope for humanity. Some people are just brought up to hate and oppose those who are different or unique. Although i have respect those with very strong arguments. Wolfgang DelaSangre made a very good point by saying homosexuality is counter evolutionary. I could be wrong, we could all be wrong. There may be a god, there may not be. Whats important is we need to have our own beliefs and stick to them. Keep the argument going…

I dont care ’bout *** or *******, but a ******* was made for just one thing, and im pretty sure that was not to make **** smell like **** straight or ***

I READ an add that there is a sale of RED Tipped spikes from Rome . To get them dial 1800 ROME

People will argue all day about which side is right. What is more important is the right to free speech. It is when the *** rights folks try to create laws banning “hate” speech that we need to get worried, or visa versa. As for marriage, I think government should have nothing to do with that, just as they shouldn’t have anything to do with the other 98% of our lives that they have unconstitutionally intruded in.

Wolfgang is just a professional aggonizer. Don’t pay him any attention, check out the lonely guy’s myspace. 30 friends tells his whole story.

There’s no historical prof that Jesus existed. In fact there’s very little to suggest that anything in the bible is real. But if he did exist id think his emphasis would be on love and compassion not whether or not you parents like it in the butt. Get over it.

hahahaha Christians make me smile.

As a christian I just want to say that God is love…wherever love is there is God. So if two people love one other – regardless of their gender – God is present there. where’s the sin in that?

God loves each and every one of us. regardless of what we do regardless of who we are.

I don’t believe homosexuality is a sin, but even if it were, sin is no big deal to God…its just furniture on the dance floor as we dance with the divine. It gets in the way….it doesn’t make for an optimal experience, but it does not preclude the ability to dance with God!

You can’t argue with religious people. It’s not right because it’s been proven, it’s right because god/allah/yahweh/vishnu/satan says so. No other reason. Please tell me, oh religious ones, if anyone has come back from the dead that you know is homosexual and has claimed that, “Yeah, you definitely go to a lake of fire if you get ****** in the ***!!”

Question: did you choose to be straight? Or were you born that way? Did you start liking women immediately, or did your mom or dad (or both) tell you it was the right thing to do? What about *** people from a family with a male (Dad) and female (Mom)? What do you think happened in those houses? I myself am straight, and I’ve always known that I like the opposite sex, from a very young age. How about the *** people? When you were growing up, did you know something was different, even though you were in a normal household?

And as for “twisting Leviticus” I never saw any type of twisting. The verses were taken word for word, and the interpretation was direct (albeit, sarcastic). I don’t see a way to argue that. It does say that anyone working on Sabbath needs to be killed – Exodus 35:2 – “On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death.” Re-read it over and over. How can one misinterpret this? Looks to me that it says if you work on the sabbath you get EXECUTED!! That’s what “put to death” means right? This is what makes me mad. That because someone points out something that needs to be taken a second look at they’re still wrong even when the evidence is 100% clear – according to this verse, work on the sabbath, get executed. Plain and simple.

@vice – take a step back and read what I just said. How can you say I misinterpreted this verse?

right? wrong? Who cares. I’m going to go put it (eucharist) in my pipe and smoke it

Thats genus that sign, maybe if i belived there was a god we could all say we had 2 dads anyway! seen as how were all suposed to be gods children

ITS UBERPIX people take it this **** to a fox news blog

That girl was actually in my writing class. Kinda funny seeing her here. But anyways I thought it was clever and shes also a really nice person. Go Her.

this is likely old news by now but I just had to point out something to Wolfgang.

Your looking at the homosexuals to justify being ***. To show that there is something right about it in order to for it to not be wrong by default. You compare this to the concept that darkness is simply the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat.

Alright, completly of the topic of right or wrong ****, let me say that absolute cold and absolute darkness are the natural states of the universe. You go out far enough past our solar system and out of our galaxy you are in total darkness and absolute 0 cold. for the record thats just over -270 some celcius (-273?). Beyond that darkness and cold, as well as heat and light are tangible. We can either see or feel the “concepts” that you speak of. Right and wrong are both purely philosophical concepts. There is no scientific state of “RIGHT” or “WRONG” in the universe. These are ideas and labels created by us to justify how we feel about things.

That aside. There was talk earlier about coming up with non-religious reasons why homosexuality was “wrong”. You challenged the **** to come up with similair reason why their state of being or choices were “right”. So, from a psychological stand point we’ll begin. There is a large school of thought within the world of psychology that suggests that all people are born without likes or dislikes of any sort. They quickly begin to develop preferences in small things due to how it affects them. Things like they dont like being hungry or cold or alone or startled or any of those typical negative things. They do like being fed and warm and cuddled and comforted again due to the positive feelings these things create.
The same is true of sexual preference. We are born without one. The eventual attractions to certain sexes come about due to the influences in our lives. That can be any number of things. Childhood abuse maybe. Simply having a child befriend more people of the opposite sex growing up and therefore taking on their views of what is wanted or what is “sexy”. Thus a female that always grows up with males may come to like the same things in a partner that her peers do. In this case the peers are male and want females. Thus she also wants a female. No fault here at all, simply the natural growth and development of a human being. Of course this example could go on for ages as there are a vast number of influences on each and every person with the final result being 100% unique everytime. We’ll stop there.

Next we’ll move onto evolution and nature. Anything that happens in nature without an outside force interefering is by definition “natural” yes? Any natural phenomenon is simply a fact of life and therefore cannot be wrong. Even the disorders you mentioned have unnatural causes and therefore can be labled as wrong.
In every climate, habitat, niche or whatever in the natural world you have animals and insects and bacteria and such. In every one of these ecologies there is a balance amongst the species and their population. X number of predators to Y number of prey and so on. Sometimes this balance gets upset and you’ll end up with too many of one type or another. Nature always takes action to restore the balance while maintaining the population that the area can support. So when there are too many deer in an area, there is not a sudden spurt of wolves to hunt them, that would put a larger strain on the resources of the area, instead there is a mysterious disease that our scientists dont understand. It sweeps through the local deer population and wipes out a large number of them. Suddnely when enough die and the balance is restored, the disease disappears never to be seen again. In other areas when there are not enough young being born to maintain their population, they suddenly change their DNA and change sexes to allow for more reproduction. We dont know how, they just do. Then suddenly everything is normal again the sex changes stop. Obviously the selfinduced sexchanges dont apply to humans as a natural thing but the diseases might given the appearence of various threatening viruses that have never appeared before in history. There is no question that human have overpopulated the planet. We are destroying it and the nature within it. We hve upset the balance horribly. Thus nature reacts. However, we have defeated the diseases that are the first line of defense. Something different is needed. Possibly a sweeping change in the natural instinct to reproduce! We are generally driven towards people of the opposite sex why? because such a union can create new life. But if nature were to say, take that instinctual drive away for time….then perhaps people wouldnt feel the need for opposing sex organs. Perhaps if enough people began to move away from the typical, mate, birth, rinse, repeat, then the rate of new births would decline below the rate of death. eventually, you would have a sharply declining human population exactly as we see in nature. Also, eventually this phenomenon would balance itself out as the strain on the system righted itself.

Now, these are just standing theories. So is God. So is the concept of right or wrong. So is gravity technically. Funnily enough, the strongest of those theories is gravity. These are theories because our understanding of how we work as a society and as individuals is incomplete at best. We learn new things all the time that lead to new theories and new understandings in these areas. How much we are affected by nature as a species is even more of an unknown. We understand very little of our place in the natural world. None the less humans do know an amazing amount of stuff. And given the factual knowledge base that we as a species of collected over the past several thousand years of recorded history, these are two very plausible theories relating directly to how homosexuality may be a perfectly acceptable state of being for humans. Even more so both theories when followed closely point to the state of bisexuality. Given that we no longer require the constant state of frenzied reproduction to make it as a species, and given that we don’t naturally start out with a sexual preference, then perhaps any preference at all is a result of warped and perverted view points thrust upon us by a largely biased power structure. And if that is the case it would naturally follow that homosexuality and heterosexuality are equally “wrong” due to a lack of being “right” since they are not natural states of being unless that species is in a position that one or the other is required by nature. And given then the state of our population in the world. The obvious need is to not reproduce nearly as much as we are. Thus, logic and reason dictate that homosexuals are more needed at this time then heteroes are thus **** are more right at this point in the human timeline then strait people are simply due to their more positive (synonymous with right) effect in the world.

So, there you have it. **** are not just “as right” as everyone else, they may be MORE “right” then the rest. And even better that the **** are the bi’s! Now nothing in my above statements was religious or anti-religious. Even the part about God being a theory is technically, correct. Also, no part of what I said has been scientifically disproven. It’s true that not all of that has been 100% verified but thats why I called them theories which is the correct(synonymous with right) term.

Now for the disclaimer. I am not *** or bi. I am straight by choice. I do not have any children and do not plan on having any with my wonderful wife. We have made that choice. Coincidentally putting me on the same level of “rightness” as the ****. Still below the bi’s though.

I am also a psychologist. Thus I am aware that there are also opposing schools of thought in psychology that have yet to be completely disproven. Before attempting to argue in that arena I suggest you check out which schools, and which creators of these schools, have been discredited over time.

so all of the people here that are bashing Christians for bashing others are hypocrites. can we all not leans to just love each other regardless of what we are or what the next person believes to be “right” by his standards? the problems of the world would be greatly abated if we all were just more accepting of others.

so what if you believe that there is no god? does that mean that you can go tearing down people that do believe so? and why do people try to use references from the bible that they know nothing about? its like opening up a novel to the middle and not reading anything other than that, and then expecting that what you read was how it all ends.

if you disagree with people being *** or with *** people in general, why do you have to tear them down? its not your life, not your country, not your world.
and Christians who do not live by this are living against what they claim to be.

why do people go after *** people and say its “wrong” to be *** but fail to acknowledge that if it were wrong that you must also assume that many other things are also “wrong”.

am I ***? no. do i treat anyone differently just because they are different from myself? no.

I simply find it very interesting that some of us would rather pick stories out of the Bible when it proves our point, but then deny the validity of it when it disproves us. hmm…

Ok… little bible lesson here oh closed minded christian friends of mine (mind you I don’t believe ALL christians are closed minded). Do you actually know what the main transgression was of those in Sodom and Gemmorah? It was being inhospitable to 2 angels in disguise. They turned them away. Like the inn keepers turned away Joseph and Mary. So for those of you who like to throw out the names of those two cities whilst judging others (in effect turning them away from your heart) maybe you should read your bible more, rather than just spitting out what you think it says. The bible also says that an adulteress should be stoned to death btw, so unless you’re ready to be the first to cast the stones (Jesus would be so proud) perhaps you can remember something else the bible says “judge not lest ye be judged.” If Jesus and God are up there looking down, you make them weep. Repent to your God for you are shameful to Him.

@ anya… just wanted to add you are what christians are supposed to be… good on you… you are truly an inspiration… thank you for being an example of god’s love rather than a false example of a god who hates

Turn off your computers, go outside, enjoy yourselves, and don’t hurt anybody.

Wow, what religious subjects can do. This site has no more than 5 comments per post and this one …

@ Anya, you’re right, God is love and we all need to stop hating. But if you have read the bible, God says that homosexuality is SIN. You’re right, He loves everyone, no matter what they do but He hates the sins in us. Gender does matter. Let’s go back to Adam and Eve. If gender didn’t matter, He would have created a man for Adam or a woman for Eve.
As for sin, ha… Sin is a BIG deal for God. I think what you mean to say is that God will forgive you for no matter what you do. It is a big deal though, some people think that if you repent every time you sin, you’ll be all right. But that’s not true.

Anyway, as for Christians being “closed-minded”, whoever is against Christians are “closed-minded” too. You are not hearing what they have to say. But I agree, some Christians are way too pushy! Some Christians are bad examples of God’s love. I don’t hate homosexuals but I believe that they’re not born that way. The devil plays with people’s minds and let us believe that we are a certain way because we are meant to be that way.

Anyway, we all have our beliefs and whatnot. There’s no point in arguing, I suppose. We all think differently and we can’t agree to disagree, well maybe some but most people can’t.

You know, people used to think being left handed was just as bad. But we know that it wasn’t their fault.

I love straight people! If it weren’t for them, there would be no us.

Herf derf

I wipe my arse with your bible.

we are all hypocryte’s we hate *** people but we all droole over lesbians, stop lying that’s a sin too, if you say ***, people spit, if you say *******, they drool, im straight but i know *** couples, ******* couples, and straight people i am friends with all of them, i accept all of them for who they are and how they think, not for their choices, or what they think is hot, except for my ******* friends, we usually agree ,
oo, and remember, only God is perfect, fight for excellence
And if God and Jesus are on, Jesus is his own father , or God is his own son, isent that bothering anyone?, or is that ok?
And is the people of Gomora were ***, why did they accept the women, in rather than two guys?

Sorry for any grammar mistakes, im not a native speaker of american

I don’t know proper “american” either…I think there’s a lot of double negatives, misspellings, improper punctuation, and hatred towards “darkies”…

You know, I can’t convince you people that homosexual actions are wrong, so I’m not going to, however I will say what I think. Homosexuals currently have the exact same rights as heterosexuals. Homosexuals can marry, just those of the opposite sex, and homosexuals can vote, have freedom of speech, religion, a right to bear arms (sort of) and all of these other things (this is a little snide, but it’s technically true). Honestly, I dunno, there just seems to be something off about the lifestyle, now this could be just what I’m seeing, but it seems as though they centralize who they are based on their gayness, know what I mean? It’s almost as if it’s become a separate culture. Am I wrong? Am I just seeing things? Because the whole “*** pride” thing has really run away with itself. Now naturally I don’t believe for a second that all **** are part of the “culture” that I just described, and I’m sure that they as persons are some good, some bad, but mostly a mixture of both (not to categorize them into “in the culture is bad, and vice versa” either). I will say this though, no matter how much I may disagree with their actions, I will choose to respect them as they deserve as fellow human persons. Also, I’m sure that just as I have habits and dispositions as a heterosexual man that are dangerous and outright deadly for my soul that I personally need to appeal to the grace of God to combat against, heterosexual persons have similar such ones. I have considered the possibility of heterosexual union, but when it comes down to it, it’s not what I believe sex to be about, which is why just as having sex with a woman outside of marriage is wrong, having sex for a man is also wrong (from a man’s perspective). I realize that that sounds harsh, and that homosexual men just want to love their partners the same way that heterosexual couples can, but riddle me this, what about the adulterating couple? Do they have a right to each other in that particular moment (taking divorce out of the equation). This is an analogy, mind you, but I made this comparison to make the point that feelings for others doesn’t always equate to having a right to “marry”. I mean, what’s next? Men marrying video game characters? (It’s already happened in japan! look it up.). But here I am rambling, so I’ll just say this, I have a reason to not believe the good of homosexual actions on a physical level, any other problems I would have with the emotional and mental aspects is because they lead to the physical actions. In advance I apologize if I have incited anger and if my comment came across as harsh, I just wanted to make a position against the homosexual movement without coming across as a self-righteous homophobe. (also I apologize to any english geeks, in the good sense, who might have agonized in reading my poor excuse of a written statement).

Wow, that’s some wall of text there. And much like the bible, it’s not something that I’ll ever read.

And you guys know what they say about arguing on the internet, right? Just kiss and make up, like Jesus intended it!

*runs for cover*

So, who wants some cheesecake?

*sigh* This whole wall makes me tired. I am a *******, and my love life has never hurt anyone.

Jesus loved everyone. You should try it.

He does not. Jesus has one dad and that is his heavenly father. Yeah legaly Joseph is his leegal father but basically he did not donate the sperm to Mary which was in fact a virgin.In the bible it says in the 10 commandments respect thy parent. So if you are her then its surly that a egg and sperm meet at some point.So being *** is not right.You may not beleave us not but when Jesus comes everyone will she how great and almight I lord and our savior is.You can say what ever you want ,and i cand respond however I want but thats will never change what is coming up and it is coming fast. If you cant understand the bible and follow the ways then why should it make a right to mock the bible.In order to get the bible you must accept Jesus into your life until then dont bring the binle text what other people said into it.Its like some people dont understand its not middle school its the God who put you on this Earth and shoulld be tooken serisouly——-coming from a 15 year old girl which you should understand being young and stand up for what is right is very hard to do.Norless when you see the bible listing everything that will happen is happening shows you out great almight Lord has our hearts and Jesus is coming to take over his children who share his holy blood

aw sick if jesus was god then he was his own dad.

Can’t we all just get along? Why turn you backs on your fellow man because a book written a few thousand years ago said you should or you’ll be “punished”.

What people seem to forget about and ignore is that with the story of Sodom and Gamorrah: Lot offered his two virgin daughters to the crowd of men to do with as they pleased instead of the male angels….here, let me explain for you, since no one seems to get it: he OFFERED his two VIRGIN DAUGHTERS to be completely RAPED by these men so that his MALE guests could be in peace.

That my dear internet friends, is why I dislike Christianity, you ignorant male pigs.

Feminist Power!

C-C-C-Combo Breaker!

Homosexuals are going to hell, and the Bible does say “Judge not lest you be judged” Go ahead judge me, I REPENT and CHANGE, they may repent but they wake up in the same sin and live it over and over again, and it is an abomination, here is more bible for you…”So God forsook them, and gave them over to sins of the flesh, men looked upon the same form (Gender) with lust, women were given over to cravings of an unnatural form, presenting themselves to animals, men, and one another”….Remember Sodom, Why don’t you keep living in sin, or take my advice, turn from homosexuality, it is truly agains God and Scripture, Any way you look at it…You will burn for it

Oh BTW Someone who actually read the Bible, Read it again, their main transgression was Idol worship and carnal lust, the angels came to deliver the news that these two cities were to be destroyed, therefore the verdict was sealed, their main transgression cannot be after the decision….So go ahead and pull it out again and read

The Bible is an invalid reference. So who cares. Homosexuality is natural. Homosexuality between two consenting adults is harmless.

I wonder why Christians don’t fight to end poverty or injustice, oh wait they pray, no? Yeah that makes all the difference.

Here is the problem with this whole issue. I personally don’t agree with homosexuallity. Having said that. I also think that this is an issue between *** people and God. None of my business. I think the rest of the world should try this stance on things from time to time. Not one person here knows for 100 percent certain. that we are right or wrong about our beliefs. You can get all high and mighty and say that you do but you would be lying to yourself and everyone else here. So it comes down to an issue of faith. So have a little faith in whatever it is you believe in and let the people upstairs sort these issues out and get on with your lives!

Wolfgang obviously takes it anally without a condom

i think that homosexuality is wrong… that being said, why can we only reproduce with the opposite sex?

You damn religious ******* are retarded. If you think God thinks homosexuality is wrong why does he let it happen? Answer me that you idiots. The way God made us, he ****** himself over. God is a ******* ****** who seems to enjoy watching as we fight against each other. What kind of a retarded God allows things to happen that he is against? He doesn’t seem to give two ***** about us.

This, my angsty interweb friends, is why you cannot post anything related to ***, abortion, or any other currently “hot” topics.

ps: y’all are dumbasses. not one of you are going to convince anyone to change their opinion, so shut up and look at the pretty colors.

pps: before you reply to this message with some long paragraph about how it’s ironic that i’m calling you a dumbass ’cause i’ve mispelled some random word, or anything really, please recognise that i don’t care, and will likely never visit this particular web page ever again, though i might stumbleupon this website some time in the future

TL;DR (for people who don’t want to read long comments)

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So… Two peanuts walk down a dark alley.

One is a salted.

Remove religion, genetics and socio-psychology from the situation and what do you have?

Homo sapiens running around a blue and green rock either procreating, procrastinating and partying.

Who cares who they do it with? Does it really matter in the end?

Jesus Fcking Christ you guys got Uber Trolled.

So many new people to the internet, so much time to do nothing about it! This one person completely ruined everyone’s good time. Learn your 4chan. Trolls exist because you allow them to.

I HATE misinformation…not getting into the whole right or wrong debate but I am sick and tired of people saying there are gene that determine sexual orientation when there is NOT. Spreading misinformation works against your arguement. Research ACTUAL science and you will find only very weak theory suggesting sexual orientation is part of the human genome…no real science whatsoever.

there is no right thought or wrong thought. there is only the thought. the thought exists in only of itself just as we do. could the absence of a thought be labeled as being a right absence or wrong absence? the thought is a manifestation of yourself, which can not be labeled.

This **** is crazy. I don’t understand how there is so much hate going on. I’m not going to hide the fact that I don’t exactly understand homosexuality or the homosexual lifestyle but really? WAAAAAAY too much judgement happening on the part of pretentious people who refuse to humble themselves.

I’m all for equal rights in America. But God is a Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They all are one, so Jesus is God. and really, were gonna talk about G-spots when they want equal rights?